Dive now ya cunts

[jaffers]

FA bringing in a new sanction for diving, issuing players found guilty with a two match ban. Lot of it will be retrospective, so it's not quite instant justice but still good steps forward.

Guess the real issue is what do you constitute a dive, does it have to be blindingly obvious? Or will they also count ones where the reaction to minimal contact sends someone down in a laughable fashion?

[sween]

absolutely fuck all will happen

[U R GAY]

Big Sam pretty much nails it.

"Utter rubbish. Bring technology in so we can get these decisions instantanious, bring a sin bin in so he can spend 10 minutes out of the game and let's stop paying these people to come up with these rubbish decisions"


In fairness, at least this one is well-intentioned rubbish but it doesn't seem very well thought out, it isn't fool-proof, it seems excessive and it sidesteps the real issue which is just bring technology like every other major sport has managed to do pretty successfully - which my long-held conspiracy theory is, is being surpressed by people high up in the game with affiliation to the big clubs because they know that over the course of the season, they get more favour than small clubs do when it comes to referee 'human error'.

[ange postecoslamp]

Wonder if refs will get retroactive punishment for making shit decisions too?






Hahah hahaha hahaha of course they fucking won't

[The Quito Diet]

Farcical.

Night on impossible to prove a player has purposely dived, penalties will still get given for a player doing a Vardy and diving in to a defender before going sprawling, and a player who is genuinely trying to avoid a tackle and goes down is going to be wrongly banned.

[#FreeBTS]

May 18, 2017 17:14:49 GMT ange postecoslamp said:

Wonder if refs will get retroactive punishment for making shit decisions too?






Hahah hahaha hahaha of course they fucking won't

The FA would say they do tbf, just depends whether you see that as punishment. However with the problems they reportedly have getting new refs I can't blame them for not wanting to hang the ones we have out to dry like that. Need more help, not bigger punishments imo.

Surprised at the negative reaction, I reckon there's far more chance of making mistakes doing it instantaneously than retrospective action like this. Not much help for the teams hurt by diving, but the game could have to be stopped by a few minutes to work out whether it's a dive or not. They'll only be after the stonewall obvious ones I reckon anyway.

[notpropaganda]

Good on them for trying to sort something. I'll not criticise the decision before we see it in action.

[Stu]

Sounds good, but it doesn't change that they have cheated beforehand and potentially decided the outcome of a match. Needs to happen at the time so that cheating can't knock a team out of a competition, or cause a side to win the league, get top 4, get relegated.

It's a start but its not enough considering how much diving there is now. I don't get why it can't be done there and then. When you watch a game on TV, within 20 seconds you've seen 4 replays and can already see if it was a dive or a foul. Doesn't make any sense why football is the only major sport in the world where decisions aren't made asap to ensure the outcome of a match is fair.

[ChappyHova]

I don't get the reaction tbh. People have been moaning about dives for years and that players should be banned and now that they are everyone wants to criticise?

I get that it would be better during the game but as Bollo said, you have to make a decision within a minute or two. I also think they are trying not to fuck up the flow of the game. Football is different to most other sports, it's constantly moving for the majority of the match. Sports where they do review things usually have loads of breaks where it wouldn't harm the spectacle of the sport to take a minute or 2 reviewing a decision.

If you think this is stupid or whatever then please don't complain about diving or a refs decision anymore.

[ChappyHova]

Stu I disagree completely with the 20 second thing when it comes to diving. We've had it on here before where we've watched 30 replays and we still can't decide between us all whether it was a dive or not.

[notpropaganda]

Yeah technology would be better but at least it's something. This is also more about changing behavior of players rather than getting decisions right. There's a 2 game ban looming if you dive now. Players should be thinking a lot more about trying to con the ref than they probably are at the minute.

It's the same way that immediate yellows for shouting at a ref or giving pens for pulling shirts at corners without question would quickly change player behaviour. If you scream at a ref and he gives you a yellow, and then you keep going and he sends you off - lesson learned, you won't do that again. If you get a 2 game ban for diving, maybe you won your team a pen and 3 points that day, but maybe you lose your team the next 2 games coz you're an important player.

Like I said, yeah it'd be better to sort it at the time through technology but at least it's something.

[g7vikings]

I don't get it.

If you dive you're better off getting caught there and then, as that's only a yellow card?

You're basically gonna get a two match ban because the referee failed to spot you dived in the first instance.

[#FreeBTS]

I think the point is the punishment is greater because you've benefited in a bigger way if you're not caught there and then.

It's destined for someone to dive outside the box, not get caught and then the free kick to be scored and them not being able to do anything though.

[jaffers]

There will definitely be mistakes made that cost teams.

I like the idea though, it at least prompts players to not dive due to potentially missing two games. The whlme video evidence in real time only works if you give an equal punishment. Because if you're like 'hang on lads, stop the game and see if he dived' ... 'right he did, yelllw card' it's still just a yellow and people aren't going to stop diving.

[U R GAY]

Time it takes to watch a replay and feedback to the referee, even if they need to look at it 2-3 times is maybe double the time it takes to set up for a freekick or a goal kick at most, less time than it takes to celebrate a goal and set back up for kick off. They manage it in rugby within the flow of a game.

Think a sin bin is the perfect scenario for that Jaffers. 10 minutes off the pitch, its more harmful to the team than a yellow card, it directly effects the team in the short-term and benefits the team you're trying to cheat against rather than some other team and it isn't as over the top as two games is.

I don't see the FA having the bollocks to impose bans either under the system they are propsing, especially with high profile players, teams and games. I don't think they'd have an issue giving a Brighton player a ban, but say Hazard, for a random example of a top player, is inovlved in a situation where it's say 85% clear that it was a dive, Chelsea kick up a fuss, well how do you know he dived? He just fell over and the ref gave a penalty, he didn't make a big claim for it...he says he didn't dive, the referee judged he didn't during the match, we've got United away up next, we're on Sky, we're in a title race here and you're banning our players for two games on opinion? We challenge the decision. If they kick up enough of a fuss I doubt Hazard gets banned.