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Post by The Quito Diet on Sept 10, 2017 19:18:35 GMT
Nah, should have been a yellow.
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Post by danielbuggery on Sept 10, 2017 19:23:37 GMT
Love that Welbeck manages to score even when he fucks up his finish. You have no idea how many Utd fans used to think that when he played for us. He's such an odd player to get your head around at times. He's got great footwork and decent build-up play but goes full Bambi on Ice when it comes to finishing which is why he'll always be a wide forward rather than a striker to me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 19:28:52 GMT
If Bellerin's should have been a yellow as should Mane's. Both were caused by the other player running at them so I don't see the difference. The fact Mane made contact shouldn't change anything.
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Post by The Quito Diet on Sept 10, 2017 19:35:03 GMT
But it should. And it does.
And Bellerin was almost stationary when he jumped, Sane was sprinting.
It's quite simple why it's not fair to compare your examples; only one of the ended with a player being booted in the face.
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Post by danielbuggery on Sept 10, 2017 19:35:23 GMT
Dunno if it's been mentioned but you could throw in Nani's red card against Real Madrid in the mix too. It wasn't a head height ball and rather a mid-section ball and I thought it was a harsh red at the time.
But in that instance, it was a boot to the torso rather than the head which is more dangerous and I can see why a red may have been shown for Mane in that instance.
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Post by Exonerator on Sept 10, 2017 20:54:54 GMT
But it should. And it does. And Bellerin was almost stationary when he jumped, Sane was sprinting. It's quite simple why it's not fair to compare your examples; only one of the ended with a player being booted in the face. Players goes in two footed and misses his man. Why is that not still a red card? Mane and Ederson is the exact same scenario as Bellerin and Salah. If Mane was sent off for endangering an opponent how is Bellerin not doing the same? There's probably loads of examples of players going in with a high boot and if Mane only got booked then no one would have complained.
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Post by Stu on Sept 10, 2017 21:12:29 GMT
Think Ederson might have had something to say about that.
Bellerin was probs a red card as well, just cos one decision was wrong doesnt make that kind of tackle ok now lol
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Post by The Quito Diet on Sept 10, 2017 21:17:20 GMT
But it should. And it does. And Bellerin was almost stationary when he jumped, Sane was sprinting. It's quite simple why it's not fair to compare your examples; only one of the ended with a player being booted in the face. Players goes in two footed and misses his man. Why is that not still a red card? Mane and Ederson is the exact same scenario as Bellerin and Salah. If Mane was sent off for endangering an opponent how is Bellerin not doing the same? There's probably loads of examples of players going in with a high boot and if Mane only got booked then no one would have complained. Because as I've said already, it's down to context. Each incident has a unique sense of circumstances; players have been sent off for two footed lunges even when they've made no contact. They're not the same scenario. At all. You're wrong. Bellerin takes a touch, then jumps to leap. Salah is at full speed. The closing speed of the two is what makes them incomparable. Sane is sprinting. Is at full speed. He also, you know, actually boots Ederson in the face. I'm not even sure what you're both arguing, Mane kicked another player in the face and got sent off, so you're retrospectively complaining that another player who didn't kick someone in the face wasn't sent off also?
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Post by Exonerator on Sept 10, 2017 21:30:41 GMT
Watch for how many times it happens in games from now on and see how many get sent off.
Only a red because of home pressure and the unfortunate actual injury.
He's simply gone to control the ball, he doesn't know where Ederson is. It's like every time a player attempts an overhead kick and accidentally smacks someone in the face. How about players just start diving into people's high boots to get them sent off in future? If Ederson isn't there it's great technique, wonderful play. Because he's there, which Mane doesn't know, it's red.
Nah, not gonna convince me. Just wait until it happens to a United player, then I'll agree.
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Post by jaffers on Sept 10, 2017 21:36:41 GMT
Yeah but then also question his decision making. He tried to control a ball with his foot, that someone who was running and jumping had just headed clear. Like that's just dangerous play full stop. To have your foot that high, if you make contact with anybody you can't complain if you get sent off because you are putting other players at risk. It's not like Ederson had ducked in to head the ball and got clipped, if that had happened I'd agree it wasn't a red. But the fact is Mane kicked a player who was jumping in the head, intentional or not it's just flat out unsafe play.
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Post by The Quito Diet on Sept 10, 2017 21:42:51 GMT
Watch for how many times it happens in games from now on and see how many get sent off. Only a red because of home pressure and the unfortunate actual injury. He's simply gone to control the ball, he doesn't know where Ederson is. It's like every time a player attempts an overhead kick and accidentally smacks someone in the face. How about players just start diving into people's high boots to get them sent off in future? If Ederson isn't there it's great technique, wonderful play. Because he's there, which Mane doesn't know, it's red. Nah, not gonna convince me. Just wait until it happens to a United player, then I'll agree. No, it's a red because he's kicked him in the head. Like, this isn't' difficult. Nobody is arguing he meant to. But lack of intent does not excuse reckless/dangerous play. You can't use a hypothetical such as "If Ederson wasn't there", because he was there. And he got kicked. In the head. It's unfortunate. That's the best way I can think to describe it. But it's still a foul.
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Post by notpropaganda on Sept 10, 2017 22:23:23 GMT
the fuck has intent got to do with anything. I'm sure most don't intend on leg breaking tackles either but they're still red cards
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Post by Stu on Sept 10, 2017 22:45:33 GMT
Stop saying Sane ffs Djed, I don't think he kicked his own keeper from the bench!
No one is blaming Mane, it wasn't his fault at all, his eyes were on the ball the whole time. He still connected with Edersons head, about 6 ft off the floor lol it was a red card, nothing intentional but its a red.
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Post by allah on Sept 11, 2017 6:02:33 GMT
If you compare Mane's red to Cahill's red in the first game (which was a red) I think it's clear that this is also a red.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 6:31:15 GMT
Mane's is a definite red. But why isn't Bellerin's? Or the previous one on Mane? Speed, direction, momentum, contact etc don't come into the equation if the basis of the argument is that his foot was head height, which is the case in all 3 examples.
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