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Feb 20, 2015 8:50:05 GMT
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Post by Germany's Top Scorer on Feb 20, 2015 8:50:05 GMT
Only skim read a bit but am I the only one who's pro-tuition fees?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 11:50:17 GMT
Only skim read a bit but am I the only one who's pro-tuition fees? I am and I'm not. Education is a basic human right but I'm not naive enough to think that over 150 universities in the UK can be solely government funded whilst maintaining a high enough standard to challenge on the world stage. But it definitely should be in tiers dependent on previous results, entry requirements and the standard of education taught. Some of the worst universities in England are charging £9,000 because of a lack of regulation. When the hike was suggested it was on the basis that prices would be from £5,400 to a maximum of £9,000. If it was economically viable for those that didn't go to Uni straight out of sixth form college I think there needs to be more rigorous pre-entry examination processes like actual character exams. People who aren't sure what they want to do argue the cost of university is an intended deterrent but I think in some respects you should only go to University if both yourself and whoever accepts you has a clear path of where you want to take your degree. Like old scholars, it was a stepping stone on to the next thing, be it a masters or as a teacher etc. Plus that way I wouldn't have to be the only dude talking in a seminar on the early modern because the 9 other people on the course just aren't that interested but chose it anyway
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 14:28:44 GMT
www.telegraph.co.uk/history/11422926/Malcolm-Xs-assassination-robbed-the-world-of-a-Muslim-civil-rights-visionary.htmlWhat a crap article, I actually thought The Telegraph might have started to turn a corner this past year or so with some of their more balanced coverage of both the Tories and Labour. Unsurprised that the most thought has gone into the earlier half, which is littered with the classic white, wannabe middle class prejudices you saw of people who didn't like anything remotely radical in the pursuit of change. Nothing special on the Guardian yet, either. I wonder if it even makes the front page
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Post by notpropaganda on Feb 20, 2015 14:36:01 GMT
It's The Telegraph mate, the Daily Mail for people who want to pretend they're not reading the Daily Mail
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Post by notpropaganda on Feb 20, 2015 15:42:32 GMT
I still question how much they give a fuck behind closed doors seeing as the student population will be overwhelmingly pro marriage equality and yet they schedule the referendum on a Thursday at the height of exam time, and give no option for students to vote anywhere except their home constituency. Sound. Set for the Friday instead, May 22nd. Hopefully we get a big turnout, a low turnout suits the No side. A guy set up a campaign "Get the Boat to Vote" encouraging emigrants to come home for it haha, it's a great idea especially when you consider the amount of Irish living in the UK that could conceivably hop a quick flight home to get their vote in. I even looked up flights myself and they're only $550 but I'm not registered apparently.
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Feb 20, 2015 16:16:15 GMT
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Post by Mycon on Feb 20, 2015 16:16:15 GMT
It will hardly be that close though will it?
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Post by notpropaganda on Feb 20, 2015 16:20:59 GMT
I think it will pass but I just worry about people getting a bit complacent about it.
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Post by allah on Feb 20, 2015 17:33:37 GMT
www.telegraph.co.uk/history/11422926/Malcolm-Xs-assassination-robbed-the-world-of-a-Muslim-civil-rights-visionary.htmlWhat a crap article, I actually thought The Telegraph might have started to turn a corner this past year or so with some of their more balanced coverage of both the Tories and Labour. Unsurprised that the most thought has gone into the earlier half, which is littered with the classic white, wannabe middle class prejudices you saw of people who didn't like anything remotely radical in the pursuit of change. Nothing special on the Guardian yet, either. I wonder if it even makes the front page I dunno, I don't think that was that bad an article, tbh. It's pretty impossible to write an article about Malcolm X that is in any way truly objective, the man was a deliberately divisive figure.
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Post by Maskya Yoshida on Feb 20, 2015 18:17:33 GMT
Only skim read a bit but am I the only one who's pro-tuition fees? I agree. Stops thickos going to Uni to do their media and journailsm or fashion courses.
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Post by The Quito Diet on Feb 20, 2015 18:23:14 GMT
Agree with fees but think the jump to 9k was ludicrous and the universities have some nerve to complain about a possible reduction to 6k given the funding they've continued to recieve.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 18:59:43 GMT
As someone who started uni the first year that the £9000 fees came in, I always found it really unfair that I was paying, per year for a four year degree, more than it cost my cousin, for example, his entire degree. I don't really know who it benefited but it definitely isn't us. We get the same standard of teaching as possible paying £3000 a year just with a load of bollocks strikes thrown in for good measure. People in high school and college are probably put off by the fees and if they're smart, they'll go looking for work straight from 16 because uni isn't worth it. I'm going to graduate with nearly £50,000 of debt and in my chosen field of work, I'll probably find it difficult to find work. Is that my fault for putting all my eggs in one basket? Probably, but it's not my fault I was born in 1994 so had to pay more.
But I do support tuition fees. Education is a basic human right but to get the best of it you have to work hard and shell out. I just wish it was cheaper is all.
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Post by Germany's Top Scorer on Feb 20, 2015 19:01:52 GMT
You can earn more before you start paying it off, pay a lesser portion of it off and it gets written off after the same amount of time.
Aye, you're not benefitting there.
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Feb 20, 2015 19:05:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 19:05:20 GMT
£50,000? Fuck me
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 19:08:21 GMT
Silly me, I should be grateful I pay four times what my cousin does because he was born in 93.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 23:40:35 GMT
Well you have to consider that in 1993 the percentage of the population who were going to university wasn't a patch on the current generation.
Also the strikes aren't bollocks as far as I can tell. The majority of the strikes since the tuition fees have been based on the fact that since the tuition fees went up lecturers and general employees of universities haven't been pocketing the same increase in wages that university executives have. At least, that is what has been going on at Sheffield.
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