The Adam Johnson Situation

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yeh because other victims don't have such high profile cases

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But she's not been named?

The only people aware of who she is are people that SHE told when she was bragging about the situation.

[Бенне]

If I was talking to Chris Cohen I'd be bragging about it to my mates, I can't contemplate how much bragging a 15 year old girl would do, RIGHTLY, if Adam Johnson started talking to her. Does that mean she deserves less of a pay off?

And how is her suffering self inflicted in a legal sense? She is a minor, therefore should be protected by the law, sometimes against her own decisions. That's the whole point.

[Stu]

The bloke literally searched legal age of consent after sticking his fingers inside her. He deserves to be absolutely destroyed through this, I hope she takes him for millions. She gets a bigger payout than others because the person who done it to her can afford the payout. No point giving someone a £1m payout after some telesales twat touched them up, they'd never get it. Payouts are based on what the person being sued earn, he has millions so he can afford to pay it out.

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Mar 4, 2016 13:48:35 GMT Бенне said:

If I was talking to Chris Cohen I'd be bragging about it to my mates, I can't contemplate how much bragging a 15 year old girl would do, RIGHTLY, if Adam Johnson started talking to her. Does that mean she deserves less of a pay off?

And how is her suffering self inflicted in a legal sense? She is a minor, therefore should be protected by the law, sometimes against her own decisions. That's the whole point.

She doesn't deserve a pay off at all. It's farcical how (wider point) people just assume they're entitled to money for any greivance they have, be it from a car crash to treading in dog shit to eating a gone off yoghurt, people are expecting money for it. It wasn't just the bragging, she recorded their meetings to go back and show friends, shared whatsapp messages with him, to suggest (as the article does) that she deserves this much money because of suffering that he's caused is flawed because the majority of it is down to her actions, and I don't care if you want to hide behind her being a child in the eyes of the law, at 15 years old she's fully aware of what she was doing.

She has been protected by the law, her name has not been made public by anybody, again, the only people who can identify her are people that she made aware of the situation at the time. She is also protected by the fact that anybody naming her publically, even if she was the one who told them, will be jailed for it.

Mar 4, 2016 13:52:32 GMT Stu said:

The bloke literally searched legal age of consent after sticking his fingers inside her. He deserves to be absolutely destroyed through this, I hope she takes him for millions. She gets a bigger payout than others because the person who done it to her can afford the payout. No point giving someone a £1m payout after some telesales twat touched them up, they'd never get it. Payouts are based on what the person being sued earn, he has millions so he can afford to pay it out.

That's absolute bollocks, it's not about what he can afford, the emphasis here isn't on how hard to punish him but why is she entitled to more money than other sexual abuse victims, solely because of the perpetrators proffession? I'd have no issue with the judge saying as part of the punishment he has to pay a % of his wealth to a charity or something, I have an issue with her compensation being so high based not on the case itself but of the wage of the perpetrator.

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At 15 you are susceptible to an adult's influence far more than you are at 18/19 etc. I'm sure you don't think that a 15 year old has absolutely no susceptibility to that, especially a footballer who's so high profile? It doesn't matter if she knew what she was doing or not, she'll look back at this when she's older with a different perspective to how she's looking at it now, and that's the point. She does deserve a pay off, because thanks to HIS actions, her name has now been dragged through the mud, at least in the local area. There were stories about how school friends have been bullying her over it and similar, and while I don't intend to get into details of what's true and not, there is quite clearly damage done there, regardless of how you feel about her role in "leading the conversation".

The majority of it is not down to her actions at all in the eyes of the law. It's mitigation perhaps, but she is a child, and that's the end of that. Try and put yourself in her shoes, how can you not appreciate as a 15 year old the influence a highly revered footballer in particular would have over you?

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Mar 4, 2016 14:12:27 GMT Бенне said:

At 15 you are susceptible to an adult's influence far more than you are at 18/19 etc. I'm sure you don't think that a 15 year old has absolutely no susceptibility to that, especially a footballer who's so high profile? It doesn't matter if she knew what she was doing or not, she'll look back at this when she's older with a different perspective to how she's looking at it now, and that's the point. She does deserve a pay off, because thanks to HIS actions, her name has now been dragged through the mud, at least in the local area. There were stories about how school friends have been bullying her over it and similar, and while I don't intend to get into details of what's true and not, there is quite clearly damage done there, regardless of how you feel about her role in "leading the conversation".

The majority of it is not down to her actions at all in the eyes of the law. It's mitigation perhaps, but she is a child, and that's the end of that. Try and put yourself in her shoes, how can you not appreciate as a 15 year old the influence a highly revered footballer in particular would have over you?

You're still susceptible to it when you're 18/19, the evidence shows she was the one driving the interactions at times, that is just one reason why she shouldn't be entitled to a major payout or why she deserves more than other victims. Her name was dragged through the mud because of HER actions, he didn't name her, he didn't share photo's and video's of their meetings, he didn't brag about what was going on. You can absolve her of any blame here because legally she's a child, fine. But it's illogical to then blame him for that.

How did those school friends find out about it? She told them. Not him. Not the media. She did.

At 15 years old I was mature enough to make my own decisions, was mature enough to know I was ready for sex, mature enough to know that if I bragged about it to certain people that word would get around, and mature enough to know if I was doing wrong.

Again, you can justify your view on how little blame should be placed on her by saying she's legally a child at 15, fine. But morally, I think her actions have been partly to blame for the fall out she's suffered (solely from the local area, not the overall case where he;s 100% at fault), and the legal ground is questionable to me when there's absolutely no budging in the view that her being 15 and therefore is a child incapable of making decisions for herself, but we've previously tried people below 16 as adults for crimes such as murder.

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Who of the two, a 15 year old girl, and a 27 year old male, especially when the male is famous, has a stronger duty of care to the other? The criminal side of things is separate so I'll leave that to one side, but the duty of care he had to her is the crux of the issue - regardless of whether she was a willing participant or not.

So you're telling me you really think a 15 year old deserves less of a pay out because she told her mates she was talking to a premier league footballer?

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree here anyway.

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Also when trying to find out if there's any set process to determine how much compensation somebody can request it brought up hundreds upon hundreds of HAVE YOU BEEN SEXUALLY ASSAULTED?! CLAIM NOW! type websites.

It's just, wrong, no? It should be about justice, it shouldn't become about money.

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Oh and fuck off Gary.

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Mar 4, 2016 14:38:11 GMT @Djed said:

Also when trying to find out if there's any set process to determine how much compensation somebody can request it brought up hundreds upon hundreds of HAVE YOU BEEN SEXUALLY ASSAULTED?! CLAIM NOW! type websites.

It's just, wrong, no? It should be about justice, it shouldn't become about money.

Criminal proceedings and civil proceedings are totally separate though.

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Mar 4, 2016 14:37:48 GMT Бенне said:

Who of the two, a 15 year old girl, and a 27 year old male, especially when the male is famous, has a stronger duty of care to the other? The criminal side of things is separate so I'll leave that to one side, but the duty of care he had to her is the crux of the issue - regardless of whether she was a willing participant or not.

So you're telling me you really think a 15 year old deserves less of a pay out because she told her mates she was talking to a premier league footballer?

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree here anyway.

Of course he has a a stronger duty of care; that doesn't render her ability to make decisions invalid though, she's still responsible for her actions no matter how much or how little responsibility you want to grant her.

I don't agree with the idea of a pay out in general. But to answer your question, partly yes, she deserves less of a pay out for what she's suffered in her local area for what she is responsible for informing them of (don't make out like all she did was say hey im talking to adam johnson, she was sharing messages and videos, iirc didn't a friend even state in court she was bragging about meeting him) but the main reason she deserves a lesser pay out is because it suggests her experience is worthy of more money based almost entirely on the perpetrators income rather than the experience itself.

I'd argue a public case where somebody is found guilty of rape should require more compensation than this one

[Stu]

I brag to my mates that are Saints fans that I met Pelle, I'd brag even more if he tossed me off.

[The Quito Diet]

Aye and then if it hit the papers that a premier league footballer had been bashing off a lad round the back of Asda and your mates were ripping you, it wouldn't be his fault would it?

inb4 you're not 15

[Stu]

No cos I'm 25 and not 15 m8