Post by localnative on Jan 12, 2016 19:43:32 GMT
They are all great debuts and arguing against the performances themselves seems like arguing apples v oranges.
One thing I think my choice has over both yours is the importance of the match. Both Ravanelli and Klinsmann had their debuts on the opening day of the season. As I already said, the game against Villa was a must win. Liverpool were two points clear and had the momentum going their way. The impact he made on his debut changed not only the league table but also the whole mood of the United camp. His performance even earned him a place on the bench the next week when he also scored the winner against Sunderland.
In fact neither of your choices of debuts had that much of an impact on the teams season. Obviously Ravanelli's debut was great, but it wasn't good enough to win them the game. And the point they did win wasn't enough to keep them up. And whilst there's a better argument for Klinsmann's impact, given their league finish improved by 8 places in the previous year. I'd say that was more to do with his arrival and the effect that had on the entire season in general rather than his debut specifically, similar to when we signed Ozil. Even if he won you those three points, that's only the different between 7th and 8th come the end of that season.
Even if you ignore the importance of the game, you could look at the stages of their careers. Ravanelli had won everything at Juventus prior to his move. Domestic cups, league titles even the champions league had all already been achieved prior to his transfer. Nobody was surprised when he turned up and was actually quite good. He'd just been made the best paid player in the premier league! Everyone was excited to see him play. The same can be said for Klinsmann. He was a World Cup winner. You said it yourself Heung-Min Pleat 'Klinsmania was well and truly alive' all he did was show us what a good player he already is. Did they disappoint? Well no, clearly not. But did they exceed expectations? Again no not really. Macheda did exceed expectations. This wasn't just his premier league debut, it was also his professional debut. Nobody had ever seen him play a competitive senior match. In Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez and Berbatov United boast one of the greatest attacking lineups in the world. But it was this 17 year old that no one had ever really heard of that stole the headlines and got United back to winning ways.
If the question was, who had the best performance on their debut? I'd be struggling as both of your picks had more 'complete performances'. And getting a hat-trick on your debut would probably win it for me. And if we were talking about the impact of a player on the league, then Klinsmann would be up there. However that was more his signing rather than his debut. But it's neither of those questions, it's who had the greatest premier league debut. It was Macheda's full professional debut. It was a debut that impacted the course of the season. And it was completely unexpected. That's why his debut is the best ever.
One thing I think my choice has over both yours is the importance of the match. Both Ravanelli and Klinsmann had their debuts on the opening day of the season. As I already said, the game against Villa was a must win. Liverpool were two points clear and had the momentum going their way. The impact he made on his debut changed not only the league table but also the whole mood of the United camp. His performance even earned him a place on the bench the next week when he also scored the winner against Sunderland.
In fact neither of your choices of debuts had that much of an impact on the teams season. Obviously Ravanelli's debut was great, but it wasn't good enough to win them the game. And the point they did win wasn't enough to keep them up. And whilst there's a better argument for Klinsmann's impact, given their league finish improved by 8 places in the previous year. I'd say that was more to do with his arrival and the effect that had on the entire season in general rather than his debut specifically, similar to when we signed Ozil. Even if he won you those three points, that's only the different between 7th and 8th come the end of that season.
Even if you ignore the importance of the game, you could look at the stages of their careers. Ravanelli had won everything at Juventus prior to his move. Domestic cups, league titles even the champions league had all already been achieved prior to his transfer. Nobody was surprised when he turned up and was actually quite good. He'd just been made the best paid player in the premier league! Everyone was excited to see him play. The same can be said for Klinsmann. He was a World Cup winner. You said it yourself Heung-Min Pleat 'Klinsmania was well and truly alive' all he did was show us what a good player he already is. Did they disappoint? Well no, clearly not. But did they exceed expectations? Again no not really. Macheda did exceed expectations. This wasn't just his premier league debut, it was also his professional debut. Nobody had ever seen him play a competitive senior match. In Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez and Berbatov United boast one of the greatest attacking lineups in the world. But it was this 17 year old that no one had ever really heard of that stole the headlines and got United back to winning ways.
If the question was, who had the best performance on their debut? I'd be struggling as both of your picks had more 'complete performances'. And getting a hat-trick on your debut would probably win it for me. And if we were talking about the impact of a player on the league, then Klinsmann would be up there. However that was more his signing rather than his debut. But it's neither of those questions, it's who had the greatest premier league debut. It was Macheda's full professional debut. It was a debut that impacted the course of the season. And it was completely unexpected. That's why his debut is the best ever.