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Post by g7vikings on Jun 13, 2016 8:18:38 GMT
Get in!
Coutinho can get his feet up for 4 weeks and still get a full pre season in now.
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Post by Star of Spurs on Jun 13, 2016 9:50:41 GMT
@ anyone who knows: how good are brazil actually, starting to look like they're very average with only neymar as the real world class light
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Post by ChappyHova on Jun 13, 2016 10:11:21 GMT
I don't know as I haven't watched them since the world cup but it's been noticeable to me for years that they don't have that star striker they always used to have when I was growing up.
For a while it was Fred who was okay for them but he's not great at all, I don't even know who plays up front for them now.
Where as when I as growing up they had Ronaldo and before him Romario and Bebeto.
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Post by g7vikings on Jun 13, 2016 11:11:05 GMT
I'd like to consider myself a pretty knowledgeable football fan - not in the sense that I know what I'm talking about, I spout my fair share of shite - but in the nerdy sense of knowing a lot of footballers, who they play for etc.
I've no idea who 6 of Brazil's starting XI are from last night. And I'm sure half of them on the bench are actual regens.
Brazil used to be packed full of superstars. Remember the Nike adverts? Carlos, Cafu, Lucio, Rivaldo, Ronaldo etc. all in the same team. And it probably hasn't been like that for a couple of World Cups now.
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Post by MrAndyJay on Jun 13, 2016 11:26:16 GMT
The game's changed worldwide so much in the last 20-30 years that the classic ideal that Brazil are the best in the world is long gone. The rest of the world has caught up with them basically and we now have players from every corner of the globe who would be "good enough for Brazil". It was always that samba style that gave Brazil the edge. i.e. Juninho in the PL, he was an absolute revelation. However that type of player are a dime a dozen these days and they come from the Ukraine, Algeria, Korea etc. etc.
It's not that they're bad now, it's that everybody else is much much better.
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Jun 13, 2016 12:36:17 GMT
Tim Vickery is always saying they haven't even really played pass and move since '82 when Zico, Socrates etc. Got burned by Paolo Rossi in the WC quarters. After that Brazilian coaches got obsessed with the physical side of the game and turned out talented attacking individuals but never a free-flowing team in the Barcelona type mould. Also, club coaches there are lucky if they stay six months in a job so tactics to stop getting beaten rather than winning are almost universally accepted over there now (hence Scolari and the whole 2014 situation).
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Post by Mycon on Jun 13, 2016 12:55:27 GMT
Tim Vickery is always saying they haven't even really played pass and move since '82 when Zico, Socrates etc. Got burned by Paolo Rossi in the WC quarters. After that Brazilian coaches got obsessed with the physical side of the game and turned out talented attacking individuals but never a free-flowing team in the Barcelona type mould. Also, club coaches there are lucky if they stay six months in a job so tactics to stop getting beaten rather than winning are almost universally accepted over there now (hence Scolari and the whole 2014 situation). Pretty much spot on. The biggest change has been Dunga-types in both midfield and in managerial roles have developed as a response to that loss. They continued to produce world-class strikers and attacking midfielder but even they're starting to dry up. Brazil since then have been obsessed with a double defensive midfielder formation, with Mauro Silva/Dunga, Gilberto Silva/Kleberson quite succesful but still limited players. When is the last time Brazil have produced a top quality deep-lying playmaker? Back in 82, they played Toninho Cerezo and Falcao in deep midfield, who were as good as anyone around on the ball but Falcao especially had defensive frailties. Before that, they had Gerson, who played number 10 in Brazil, playing deep midfield on that 1970 team running things. Go back further and you have Didi and Zito. Where is their Modric, Kroos, Busquets type player now? Probably the biggest miss in Brazil, which has turned them gradually from that gung-ho free-flowing team to the methodical side now.
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Jun 27, 2016 5:28:35 GMT
Messi's retired from international football after Argentina lost the final on penalties to Chile. Surely he'll be back for the next WC?
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Post by cl7 on Jun 27, 2016 8:27:20 GMT
hahahahahahaha
stay retired pls
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Post by Star of Spurs on Jun 27, 2016 10:48:42 GMT
hahahahahahaha stay retired pls why?
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Post by g7vikings on Jun 27, 2016 11:27:22 GMT
It'll give Scotland a better chance at the next World Cup of course.
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Post by Maskya Yoshida on Jun 27, 2016 11:53:27 GMT
Don't see Ronaldo bottling it and retiring from international football
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Post by cl7 on Jun 27, 2016 12:29:43 GMT
hahahahahahaha stay retired pls why? I dont like him It'll give Scotland a better chance at the next World Cup of course. Scotlands chances mean absolutely nothing to me
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Jun 27, 2016 12:31:22 GMT
Don't see Ronaldo bottling it and retiring from international football Do see him bottling it a fair bit tbh.
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Post by notpropaganda on Jun 27, 2016 12:36:27 GMT
hahahahahahaha stay retired pls why? because there can be no joy while the evil world conspires against Rangers #watp
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