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Post by #FreeBTS on Mar 27, 2021 14:54:50 GMT
Looool I can’t take credit for this but someone pointed out that after all of the criticism the Eagles took for that week 17 game, losing that has essentially brought them another first round pick now. Obviously not the intention but it shows how ridiculous that all was. Wasn’t too big a fan of them keeping Hurts as the entrenched starter but they could easily have 3 first round picks next year, should be enough ammo to move up if Hurts busts.
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Post by Бенне on Mar 27, 2021 15:01:58 GMT
How do you know Wilson is 2? Reports have come out saying the Niners don’t even know that and they’re just happy with whoever falls to them at 3, that’s what I find just utterly bizarre. If you don’t care which surely you aren’t that sold on either of them/any of them if you include Mac Jones?
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Mar 27, 2021 15:49:20 GMT
I saw Chris Simms tweet that he thinks they want him as he’s the most pro ready. After 17 starts? With the most ridiculous supporting cast in college football? If your scouting department comes to that conclusion honestly I don’t know if there is much more to it than looking at box scores and evaluating who had good numbers because if you think he’s more pro-ready than Justin Fields at this point you aren’t even trying. His QB evaluations have been spot on historically to be fair to the guy. Hit on Mahomes, Lamar, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert when when the general consensus was a lot more cold around them coming out. Interestingly he has Wilson above Lawrence in his rankings for this year with Mac Jones third. FYI he goes through through his full reasoning for his list here (well worth a watch if you have a spare 90mins). I watch barely any college football so I don’t really feel like I can give my own opinion without it just parroting someone elses but the guy clearly churns through fucking hours of film to make his mind up and gets into the nitty gritty of things like throwing mechanics. He’s also right more often on this than anyone else I’m aware of off the top of my head.
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Post by #FreeBTS on Mar 27, 2021 17:47:22 GMT
How do you know Wilson is 2? Reports have come out saying the Niners don’t even know that and they’re just happy with whoever falls to them at 3, that’s what I find just utterly bizarre. If you don’t care which surely you aren’t that sold on either of them/any of them if you include Mac Jones? Wilson is going to be 2, he’s pretty clearly the number 2 QB at this point and the Jets are definitely going QB, otherwise the 49ers would be at 2 instead of 3 you’d assume. I don’t really see much reason why the 49ers wouldn’t basically know for sure which QB is going to be available at 3, Saleh and Shanahan will obviously be close, and there’s no real reason why they shouldn’t know. I mean I don’t understand the problem with the 49ers strategy, if they have 1st round grades on both Fields and Wilson and like them both, and the Jets are refusing offers for 2, why should they really care that much who they get? I think you’re reading way too much into rumours and stories, they’ll not be making moves like this so far before the draft unless they’re 99% sure of whom they’re picking at 3.
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Post by ange postecoslamp on Mar 27, 2021 18:13:44 GMT
His QB evaluations have been spot on historically to be fair to the guy. Hit on Mahomes, Lamar, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert when when the general consensus was a lot more cold around them coming out. Interestingly he has Wilson above Lawrence in his rankings for this year with Mac Jones third. FYI he goes through through his full reasoning for his list here (well worth a watch if you have a spare 90mins). I watch barely any college football so I don’t really feel like I can give my own opinion without it just parroting someone elses but the guy clearly churns through fucking hours of film to make his mind up and gets into the nitty gritty of things like throwing mechanics. He’s also right more often on this than anyone else I’m aware of off the top of my head. he has Wilson ahead of Trevor Lawrence as his QB1 in the entire draft and Kellen Mond ahead of Fields so I would bear that in mind before trusting Chris Simms' opinion too much. Zach Wilson reminds me a lot of a (much!) smaller Josh Allen, he has a super talented arm and his mechanics get away from him sometimes as a result. We'll see him sail a lot of passes and make some dreadful reads in Year 1. The question for me is whether he goes through Allen's same renaissance in years 2 and 3. The difference in physical size is not to be understated, a huge asset in Allen's mobility and improvisation is his ability to stiff arm free rushing D linemen to the ground at will.
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Post by Бенне on Mar 27, 2021 18:24:47 GMT
I mean clearly we just disagree but I think you’re basing your argument on a few really shaky premises, first being that Wilson is clearly the number 2 pick or that the 49ers know one way or another who the Jets are picking. If Saleh and Shanahan are talking about that sort of thing then fine but honestly as a Jets fan I’d be irritated my coach was effectively giving the 49ers inside information instead of playing hardball and potentially making the 49ers give them the huge offer rather than the pick below. I agree if they’re speaking and they therefore know which way the Jets are going then it makes sense, as much as I disagree with it.
Your other point regarding it being clear Wilson is the number two pick is just not correct imo, I’d say based on the current buzz of course that’s the way it’s going but it’s by no means consensus at this stage. If the Jets picked Fields at 2 I still wouldn’t be surprised at this stage honestly.
Re: your point on if they have a first round grade on both of them, I mean fine but I think that’s really poor management of your franchise if you’re trading 3 first round picks for someone who by definition you don’t think is a standout talent. It just doesn’t make sense without them knowing for a fact who would be available for them at 3 for me, it’s too much to give up for anyone below a Trevor Lawrence type talent. I’m far from a QB guru but I’ve watched enough of Wilson and Fields to know they could easily struggle in their first few years especially. My Pro comp for Wilson is Sam Darnold and Fields is honestly so hard to project to the Pro’s because Dwayne Haskins looked like money in that offence and look how that ended up. And I’ve said everything I need to say about Mac Jones, I honestly just don’t see it, but I will watch that Chris Simms video when I get the time!
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Mar 27, 2021 18:47:43 GMT
FYI he goes through through his full reasoning for his list here (well worth a watch if you have a spare 90mins). I watch barely any college football so I don’t really feel like I can give my own opinion without it just parroting someone elses but the guy clearly churns through fucking hours of film to make his mind up and gets into the nitty gritty of things like throwing mechanics. He’s also right more often on this than anyone else I’m aware of off the top of my head. he has Wilson ahead of Trevor Lawrence as his QB1 in the entire draft and Kellen Mond ahead of Fields so I would bear that in mind before trusting Chris Simms' opinion too much. I mean I prefaced the whole thing with a) his track record b) and how he goes about his process so throwing out his opinion because it goes against the consensus seems... premature to say the least.
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Post by ange postecoslamp on Mar 27, 2021 19:17:20 GMT
I've not watched/listened, but anyone who is high enough on Wilson to rank him above Lawrence, a genuine generational talent, is clearly seeing a very, very different QB on tape to the one I've seen.
He's had an incredible year in a dodgy conference behind very good O Line play, and an A-grade arm is not enough to guarantee success in the NFL.
I think he has the potential to be a Pro Bowl calibre guy but not in New York with that roster. He'll need a patient coaching staff, decent protection and a jump ball specialist to get the best out of him, none of which the Jets currently have.
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Post by #FreeBTS on Mar 29, 2021 13:14:04 GMT
I mean clearly we just disagree but I think you’re basing your argument on a few really shaky premises, first being that Wilson is clearly the number 2 pick or that the 49ers know one way or another who the Jets are picking. If Saleh and Shanahan are talking about that sort of thing then fine but honestly as a Jets fan I’d be irritated my coach was effectively giving the 49ers inside information instead of playing hardball and potentially making the 49ers give them the huge offer rather than the pick below. I agree if they’re speaking and they therefore know which way the Jets are going then it makes sense, as much as I disagree with it. Your other point regarding it being clear Wilson is the number two pick is just not correct imo, I’d say based on the current buzz of course that’s the way it’s going but it’s by no means consensus at this stage. If the Jets picked Fields at 2 I still wouldn’t be surprised at this stage honestly. Re: your point on if they have a first round grade on both of them, I mean fine but I think that’s really poor management of your franchise if you’re trading 3 first round picks for someone who by definition you don’t think is a standout talent. It just doesn’t make sense without them knowing for a fact who would be available for them at 3 for me, it’s too much to give up for anyone below a Trevor Lawrence type talent. I’m far from a QB guru but I’ve watched enough of Wilson and Fields to know they could easily struggle in their first few years especially. My Pro comp for Wilson is Sam Darnold and Fields is honestly so hard to project to the Pro’s because Dwayne Haskins looked like money in that offence and look how that ended up. And I’ve said everything I need to say about Mac Jones, I honestly just don’t see it, but I will watch that Chris Simms video when I get the time! I really don't think it's that shaky, I'd be surprised if there's many mock drafts at this point that have Fields below Wilson and there's way more talk about the Jets wanting Wilson than Fields. I don't really see it being that likely that the 49ers are moving up this early without being basically positive who they'd be picking, otherwise why not just wait? And why would the Jets care that much if the 49ers know their pick? Surely they're more likely to want to trade their pick to the NFC anyway? And the Jets wouldn't be interested in trading their pick because they want a QB at 2 so anything about the 49ers offer wouldn't interest them. Confused by your re:, if they think both Fields and Wilson are first round QBs, then they do think they're a standout talent? Plus although it is technically 3 first round picks, they still get one this year so they only miss out on 2 first rounders, neither of which you'd expect to be really high and if you're trading for a QB it's worth it. I have no real strong opinions on the QBs but saying you should only ever trade 3 first rounders for a Trevor Lawrence type talent seems wild considering the comps for him are the likes of Luck, Peyton, Elway etc, you're getting one of them every decade at lucky, it's not feasible to wait for that kind of talent. Again, I'm not evaluating the QBs at all here, I just think the 49ers process is fine, they need a QB and they've gone and got one. They should also net back a decent pick for Jimmy G if they get rid.
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Post by ange postecoslamp on Mar 30, 2021 17:51:31 GMT
I mean clearly we just disagree but I think you’re basing your argument on a few really shaky premises, first being that Wilson is clearly the number 2 pick or that the 49ers know one way or another who the Jets are picking. If Saleh and Shanahan are talking about that sort of thing then fine but honestly as a Jets fan I’d be irritated my coach was effectively giving the 49ers inside information instead of playing hardball and potentially making the 49ers give them the huge offer rather than the pick below. I agree if they’re speaking and they therefore know which way the Jets are going then it makes sense, as much as I disagree with it. Your other point regarding it being clear Wilson is the number two pick is just not correct imo, I’d say based on the current buzz of course that’s the way it’s going but it’s by no means consensus at this stage. If the Jets picked Fields at 2 I still wouldn’t be surprised at this stage honestly. Re: your point on if they have a first round grade on both of them, I mean fine but I think that’s really poor management of your franchise if you’re trading 3 first round picks for someone who by definition you don’t think is a standout talent. It just doesn’t make sense without them knowing for a fact who would be available for them at 3 for me, it’s too much to give up for anyone below a Trevor Lawrence type talent. I’m far from a QB guru but I’ve watched enough of Wilson and Fields to know they could easily struggle in their first few years especially. My Pro comp for Wilson is Sam Darnold and Fields is honestly so hard to project to the Pro’s because Dwayne Haskins looked like money in that offence and look how that ended up. And I’ve said everything I need to say about Mac Jones, I honestly just don’t see it, but I will watch that Chris Simms video when I get the time! I really don't think it's that shaky, I'd be surprised if there's many mock drafts at this point that have Fields below Wilson and there's way more talk about the Jets wanting Wilson than Fields. I don't really see it being that likely that the 49ers are moving up this early without being basically positive who they'd be picking, otherwise why not just wait? And why would the Jets care that much if the 49ers know their pick? Surely they're more likely to want to trade their pick to the NFC anyway? And the Jets wouldn't be interested in trading their pick because they want a QB at 2 so anything about the 49ers offer wouldn't interest them. Confused by your re:, if they think both Fields and Wilson are first round QBs, then they do think they're a standout talent? Plus although it is technically 3 first round picks, they still get one this year so they only miss out on 2 first rounders, neither of which you'd expect to be really high and if you're trading for a QB it's worth it. I have no real strong opinions on the QBs but saying you should only ever trade 3 first rounders for a Trevor Lawrence type talent seems wild considering the comps for him are the likes of Luck, Peyton, Elway etc, you're getting one of them every decade at lucky, it's not feasible to wait for that kind of talent. Again, I'm not evaluating the QBs at all here, I just think the 49ers process is fine, they need a QB and they've gone and got one. They should also net back a decent pick for Jimmy G if they get rid. I don't disagree with a lot of what you've said here but the trade value for Jimmy G will have cratered here. He's on an expensive contract so the appeal of him compared to Darnold, for example, is limited. Plus when you know SF need to move on, all the leverage is in the buyer's hands. Wouldn't be surprised to see him get cut since the dead cap is actually really low if they do
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Apr 5, 2021 20:15:58 GMT
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Post by #FreeBTS on Apr 6, 2021 15:44:31 GMT
I don’t blame them for taking a flyer on Darnold but his reputation compared to his performance is mad.
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Post by Бенне on Apr 21, 2021 6:20:10 GMT
Oh f*** me, really?
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Apr 21, 2021 16:35:30 GMT
Eagles going next level with their draft scouting.
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Apr 23, 2021 18:35:49 GMT
I’ll be happy if the Chiefs come out of the draft with Stone Forsythe at tackle. Only name I’d put above his in this year’s class is Divine Deablo at safety.
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