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Post by notpropaganda on Jun 1, 2022 9:32:16 GMT
I've been pretty surprised in the coverage post-match at how universal the criticism of Trent has been for the Real goal. He could've done a bit better sure but it seems like he's copping the entirety of the blame when Real got through the Liverpool press and Van Dijk seemed to be waiting for the Carvajal overlap...
Trent was barely outta position as well
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Post by Paul on Jun 1, 2022 10:43:43 GMT
The lad next to me was doing the same thing of just blaming Trent for it. I do think he’s punished for his biggest weakness which is momentary lapses of concentration. He’s not a bad defender, at least as bad as people like to make out, but he can switch off. In the league you won’t get punished for it that often but in a Champions League final that can be the difference and Real exploited it well on that one occasion
He’s an easy target though. He’s put in some excellent defensive performances this season and has developed from a great attacking full back to a great all round player but it’s still those brief moments that he may never completely rid himself of. For everything he offers us generally though, I can forgive it, even if it can cost us such a big game, because the rewards we get from him are generally much bigger than the losses
If I’m remembering the goal properly as well, didn’t Valverde run from inside his own half before taking his shot on? That happened a few times in the game if I recall and we had big problems stopping his pace and ball carrying so if that was the case then yeah, pinning the blame on Trent can’t really be done without apportioning blame to the midfield as well
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Post by notpropaganda on Jun 1, 2022 12:41:59 GMT
If I’m remembering the goal properly as well, didn’t Valverde run from inside his own half before taking his shot on? That happened a few times in the game if I recall and we had big problems stopping his pace and ball carrying so if that was the case then yeah, pinning the blame on Trent can’t really be done without apportioning blame to the midfield as well It was more that Modrid played a reverse pass and then Carvajal into the midfield completely broke Liverpool's press. It left van Dijk sort of one on one with Valverde and he didn't go out to close him down as Carvajal was busting to get up for the over/underlap, and Robertson had been caught as part of the press. But I really think it was a really tidy goal from Madrid tbh and while you could point at individual Liverpool players that could've done slightly better, I think it's nitpicking in the grand scheme. Like you say the fine margins get exposed at the highest level but if Courtois doesn't have the game of his life nobody even cares. This Trent positioning thing for this goal in particular is weird, because I saw one pundit say he got done vs. Madrid last year too. But last year it was because Liverpool had no midfield and Kroos had all day to just look up and pick whatever pass he wanted. This was completely different.
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Post by The Quito Diet on Jun 1, 2022 13:06:36 GMT
The goal was just stunning from Madrid - as it happened I was about to tweet at how incredible Liverpool's press was at choking the ball and preventing Madrid from getting forward and then the moment Modric played that pass they were through. That's the difference between good players in the PL and great players like Modric.
If Valverde means that as an assist too it's unreal - perfectly weighted. I think Trent gets a lot of very fair criticism, with hyperbolic opinions tucked on either side, but he's not at fault there for me.
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Post by Paul on Jun 1, 2022 16:41:36 GMT
Honestly some of the tripe coming out of this failed tennis player and her accused sexual offender colleague are mind-boggling
Recommend looking down Dan Austin’s timeline today for transcriptions of the hearing going on at the minute. Those two have gone completely rogue and are sticking to their story and I have no idea to what end
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Post by Paul on Feb 14, 2023 10:28:09 GMT
The report UEFA themselves commissioned saying that it’s remarkable that nobody died due to their - and the French armed police’s - incompetence is damning. Shows as well that it was the Liverpool and Madrid fans having to self police to avoid disaster and doing a brilliant job of it on the day as well. I haven’t stepped foot in a football ground since the final and don’t plan on it any time soon either but I hope this report coming out at least shines a light on how much the authorities - including the governing body of football in Europe - actually value the supporters when it was so quick to blame them for their own inability to properly manage an event
I spoke to my girlfriend about it last night after the report came out because we’ve spoken about it even though she didn’t know me when it happened and it was only then that I realised that UEFA really should’ve just played the final at reduced capacity due to the short timeframe that Paris had to prepare. They don’t get excused of anything but cities normally have 2 years to make plans for a major final and they had 2 months and really shit the bed when it came down to it. Playing it, either in Park des Princes or still in Stade de France at 50-75% capacity would’ve made everyone’s life easier. People would’ve complained obviously but there would’ve been less chance of a major incident afterwards
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Post by The Quito Diet on Feb 14, 2023 12:22:53 GMT
The report UEFA themselves commissioned saying that it’s remarkable that nobody died due to their - and the French armed police’s - incompetence is damning. Shows as well that it was the Liverpool and Madrid fans having to self police to avoid disaster and doing a brilliant job of it on the day as well. I haven’t stepped foot in a football ground since the final and don’t plan on it any time soon either but I hope this report coming out at least shines a light on how much the authorities - including the governing body of football in Europe - actually value the supporters when it was so quick to blame them for their own inability to properly manage an event I spoke to my girlfriend about it last night after the report came out because we’ve spoken about it even though she didn’t know me when it happened and it was only then that I realised that UEFA really should’ve just played the final at reduced capacity due to the short timeframe that Paris had to prepare. They don’t get excused of anything but cities normally have 2 years to make plans for a major final and they had 2 months and really shit the bed when it came down to it. Playing it, either in Park des Princes or still in Stade de France at 50-75% capacity would’ve made everyone’s life easier. People would’ve complained obviously but there would’ve been less chance of a major incident afterwards
Is that avoiding games because of Paris or just co-incidental?
I do have to give Uefa slim credit for actually getting an independent investigator to look into this and release the report. Although the timing of its release was 'convenient'.
I think it's a glaring example of the symptomatic way 'authorities' see football fans. The police especially.
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Post by Simon on Feb 14, 2023 13:20:50 GMT
That's a very bold statement Djed.
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Post by Paul on Feb 14, 2023 14:48:24 GMT
The report UEFA themselves commissioned saying that it’s remarkable that nobody died due to their - and the French armed police’s - incompetence is damning. Shows as well that it was the Liverpool and Madrid fans having to self police to avoid disaster and doing a brilliant job of it on the day as well. I haven’t stepped foot in a football ground since the final and don’t plan on it any time soon either but I hope this report coming out at least shines a light on how much the authorities - including the governing body of football in Europe - actually value the supporters when it was so quick to blame them for their own inability to properly manage an event I spoke to my girlfriend about it last night after the report came out because we’ve spoken about it even though she didn’t know me when it happened and it was only then that I realised that UEFA really should’ve just played the final at reduced capacity due to the short timeframe that Paris had to prepare. They don’t get excused of anything but cities normally have 2 years to make plans for a major final and they had 2 months and really shit the bed when it came down to it. Playing it, either in Park des Princes or still in Stade de France at 50-75% capacity would’ve made everyone’s life easier. People would’ve complained obviously but there would’ve been less chance of a major incident afterwards
Is that avoiding games because of Paris or just co-incidental?
I do have to give Uefa slim credit for actually getting an independent investigator to look into this and release the report. Although the timing of its release was 'convenient'.
I think it's a glaring example of the symptomatic way 'authorities' see football fans. The police especially. Haven’t been since because of Paris. Tbh I’ve been avoiding underpasses and tunnels for the most part since then as well because of my route out of the ground in Paris. I’ve just been in Edinburgh this weekend and it was the first time since then I’ve been around large crowds of people due to the rugby being on and I felt so on edge during a lot of it, which I didn’t realise was going to happen. But anyway my walk home from Anfield goes through Stanley Park which is big and has very little lighting where I walk so the only games I’ve even really been able to consider until recently are early kickoffs because I don’t fancy being in large crowds at night since Paris. It’s all just grim tbh I’ve never really been affected by anything as much as that really
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Post by Paul on Feb 21, 2023 20:18:32 GMT
Just need Courtois to get sent off to complete the gauntlet
Shit, wrong season. The reds tricked me
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Feb 21, 2023 20:40:04 GMT
This is some advert for the standard of goalkeeping at the top tier of European football.
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Post by Paul on Feb 21, 2023 20:47:18 GMT
I dunno what Alisson’s doing but I do think a lot of that comes from Gomez doing whatever he was up to
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Post by Stu on Feb 21, 2023 20:56:03 GMT
U mean passing it back to him and then moving into space? Thats all on Alisson lool
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Post by Simon on Feb 21, 2023 21:02:08 GMT
Yeah Gomez should have done better for the first but the second is all on Ali - Vinicius doesn't even do anything clever, he's closing down the passing lane and Ali hits it straight at him.
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Post by Paul on Feb 21, 2023 21:05:05 GMT
He’s made an error higher up and ended getting turned round because he panicked. He’s an inch away from the ball and gives up on it then bobbles the pass back
Alisson should’ve just booted it out of play, neither pass was really safe but the main error comes before he’s even really 1v1 against Vinicius
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