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Jun 16, 2024 20:59:12 GMT
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Post by almachtig on Jun 16, 2024 20:59:12 GMT
Genuinely don’t think Trent was bad there at all 😂 But Foden making it 70 minutes into this game is a modern miracle I don't think Trent played badly necessarily the structure just doesn't work with him. Gallagher in the middle was much better in terms of reducing space in defence.
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Jun 16, 2024 21:21:27 GMT
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Post by EdinBruges on Jun 16, 2024 21:21:27 GMT
Fabregas is speaking so well about the Foden stuff.
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Post by almachtig on Jun 16, 2024 21:48:48 GMT
We saw Foden play well with Shaw behind him at the WC, but he plays too narrowly with Trippier playing behind him constantly cutting back. If Shaw can get back fit it's worth sticking with, if not he needs to not play tbh.
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Jun 16, 2024 23:36:14 GMT
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Post by Bollozczkowski on Jun 16, 2024 23:36:14 GMT
Under pressure in the last 5 of a group stage game? Bring a 19 year old on with no defensive nous How did this fella get yous to a final As much as Southgate gets criticism for his subs, they were really good tonight? We were under pressure and saw the game out very well. Not the best performance obviously but first game of a major tournament, Serbia are more than decent. Performances from the back 4, Rice, Bellingham and Saka were very good. Obviously questions in CM (Trent cannot be expected to control a game vs a Spain, France etc), and although Trippier had a very good game at LB second half, him and Foden down one wing makes us so narrow. The solutions aren't perfect, if you move Bellingham back he doesn't score the goal he scored tonight, if you move Foden there he probably doesn't score that goal. I'd give Gallagher and Gordon starts in place of Trent and Foden vs Denmark, and now we've won give Shaw extra time to get fit for when he's really needed.
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Jun 16, 2024 23:57:01 GMT
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Post by Exonerator on Jun 16, 2024 23:57:01 GMT
Trent was much better than what you're giving him credit for.
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Jun 17, 2024 0:37:21 GMT
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Post by Bollozczkowski on Jun 17, 2024 0:37:21 GMT
He played some nice passes but he also gave the ball away in our half a couple of times, didn't have the energy to press effectively, and played some more passes that are far too risky for his position. Second half we had very little control over that part of the pitch as well. Not meaning it to be a huge criticism, he's just not a centre mid, expecting him to be international class straight away is bordering on crazy.
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Jun 17, 2024 2:05:42 GMT
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Post by Stu on Jun 17, 2024 2:05:42 GMT
Trent was alright first half, but as the game went on he was off the pace and we were getting overrun. Gallagher made a big impact when he came on with his pressing and knowing when to nip in and take the ball.
I dont think Trent will ever make it as a center mid and I dont like the idea that we’re trialling it out during a major tournament. Id rather see him playing as a RB/RWB with Walker either in a back 3 or on the left. One of Trents best attributes is his crossing, so playing him in the middle doesnt make much sense.
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Jun 17, 2024 6:28:06 GMT
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Post by EdinBruges on Jun 17, 2024 6:28:06 GMT
Agree with both of those points. Left side was ineffective and whether that's down to Foden or Shaw or both, as soon as Saka faded we offered nothing going forward until Bowen came on (which at the time I thought was a strange sub but it defo worked).
Big question now is whether to drop the Trent experiment and give Gallagher/Mainoo two games alongside Rice to build a partnership or persist with it and hope it doesn't then cost us in the knock outs.
If Saka or Bellingham dropped that Foden performance btw they wouldn't be clamouring for England to "find a way to get the best out of him".
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Jun 17, 2024 6:47:19 GMT
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Post by ange postecoslamp on Jun 17, 2024 6:47:19 GMT
If Saka or Bellingham dropped that Foden performance btw they wouldn't be clamouring for England to "find a way to get the best out of him". Exactly this. Also for all the talk about it not being his natural position (fine), he also made some really poor mistakes generally. A few times we had a counter half on and he just completely killed it with an awful pass - the one he played about 5 yards behind Gallagher springs to mind, and the quick free kick straight to no one. Won't get much praise (and deservedly all around) but Kane in the last 10-15 showed why he's such a good striker for killing a 1-0 game late, his best work was holding it up and winning fouls to grind out any late Serbia momentum
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Jun 17, 2024 7:46:09 GMT
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Post by Pablo on Jun 17, 2024 7:46:09 GMT
The test for Southgate now, if he’s intent on playing them, is finding something that suits his best players. The system last night worked brilliantly for Bellingham but that’s it. Kane wasn’t involved until the game become dogged in the last 20 minutes, Trent was uncomfortable and Foden didn’t really look like he knew what to do
So if he’s planning on playing the same way, he needs someone like Gordon who will provide width (even as a right footer playing on the left) and avoid clogging up the middle. At one point you could probably see about 10 yards total between Rice, Trent, Bellingham, Kane and Foden, with only Saka looking to stretch the game at all
I think it’s all well and good wanting to play this short, fluid style of play but I do think England got away with one last night and for all the attacking talent on display they only had 7 shots and at least 3 of them were from well outside the area
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Post by Bollozczkowski on Jun 19, 2024 17:46:48 GMT
Doing the English thing and looking way too far ahead, but if Mbappe is out for the group stage and Netherlands sneak the group (don't even think this is too ludicrous a scenario even with him), and also Belgium don't come back and win their group, England's side of the draw massively opens up. Would be likely us, Italy, Netherlands and not much else.
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Post by EdinBruges on Jun 20, 2024 11:57:05 GMT
The chief football writer for the BBC using the belief that Foden scored 27 league goals last season as an argument for him needing to start for England.
No wonder you get better punditry and analysis on Twitter from statico's.
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Post by daveyposhboy on Jun 20, 2024 12:03:27 GMT
I don’t understand why pundits are so opposed to Gordon being out left, he’ll have acres with Bellingham and Kane in the middle. It’s like they learned nothing after analysing what went wrong trying to pigeon hole Lampard, Gerrard, and Scholes into the same midfield for ten years. Every top nation has quality to bring off the bench, ours should be Foden and Palmer
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Jun 20, 2024 14:24:03 GMT
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Post by Bollozczkowski on Jun 20, 2024 14:24:03 GMT
Can just tell how good Sesko is, everyone's going to be fighting over him next summer.
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Jun 20, 2024 14:41:22 GMT
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Post by Bollozczkowski on Jun 20, 2024 14:41:22 GMT
Feeling even worse about England's performance last week watching this. They're absolutely stinking, this LWB that got subbed on at half time, Gacinovic, is abysmal.
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