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Post by EdinBruges on Oct 6, 2014 11:19:05 GMT
His rants about Flower seem a bit naive tbh. Complaining about his management/leadership style as bullying, and instilling fear, but look at the results it brought? His point is valid though. He argues that team won through the quality of the players in it and i'd be hard pressed to argue with that. I dislike KP more than your average fan cos of his issue with Notts but he's right about that imo. Also, success at the expense of a player's mental health in Trott? Not for me. Of course he argues that, but he's the only one who's come out and done so against several players who've championed Flower for his work. Also don't think it was a case of success at the expense of mental health either, there's been cases of cricketers in particular suffering mental health issues before Flower and there'll be cases after too; it'd be naive at best to blame Flower for that.
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Post by Бенне on Oct 6, 2014 12:36:36 GMT
His point is valid though. He argues that team won through the quality of the players in it and i'd be hard pressed to argue with that. I dislike KP more than your average fan cos of his issue with Notts but he's right about that imo. Also, success at the expense of a player's mental health in Trott? Not for me. Of course he argues that, but he's the only one who's come out and done so against several players who've championed Flower for his work. Also don't think it was a case of success at the expense of mental health either, there's been cases of cricketers in particular suffering mental health issues before Flower and there'll be cases after too; it'd be naive at best to blame Flower for that. Well nah but Trott's condition can hardly have been made better by Prior consistently pillorying him for every mistake can it? And Pietersen went to Flower to say "he's struggling to cope here" and Flower told him where to shove it. That's shocking management.
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Post by EdinBruges on Oct 6, 2014 12:59:13 GMT
Of course he argues that, but he's the only one who's come out and done so against several players who've championed Flower for his work. Also don't think it was a case of success at the expense of mental health either, there's been cases of cricketers in particular suffering mental health issues before Flower and there'll be cases after too; it'd be naive at best to blame Flower for that. Well nah but Trott's condition can hardly have been made better by Prior consistently pillorying him for every mistake can it? And Pietersen went to Flower to say "he's struggling to cope here" and Flower told him where to shove it. That's shocking management. Hmmm I'd not heard that bit, you got a link for it so I can have a read? Guessing there's been more out this morning than the stuff that first broke overnight.
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Post by Бенне on Oct 6, 2014 14:26:42 GMT
Well nah but Trott's condition can hardly have been made better by Prior consistently pillorying him for every mistake can it? And Pietersen went to Flower to say "he's struggling to cope here" and Flower told him where to shove it. That's shocking management. Hmmm I'd not heard that bit, you got a link for it so I can have a read? Guessing there's been more out this morning than the stuff that first broke overnight. Everything I've got, I've got from following journo's on twitter, That is where I've got most of my info from though.
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Post by Rizzy on Oct 7, 2014 10:41:27 GMT
What I got is that Kevin is a sensitive bloke considering the brash outspoken attitude he has on the field and off it. It's hard to speculate what is true and not. But the apologies in the dressing room for dropped catch for the senior bowlers is ridiculous. Prior must have been non-stop. And Бенне, why the hell have you got Kane Williamson as your avatar? He's a brilliant talent, mind.
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Post by Бенне on Oct 7, 2014 11:04:23 GMT
And Бенне, why the hell have you got Kane Williamson as your avatar? He's a brilliant talent, mind. I have a full on man-crush on the man, he's incredible. tbh you're now in my top 5 members on here now purely for knowing who he is!
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Post by Rizzy on Oct 7, 2014 11:17:05 GMT
It was bugging me last weekend. Kept trying to think of footballers. Was only when I came into the cricket thread today, it clicked.
And ta very much, lol. He is rather handsome.
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Post by Бенне on Oct 7, 2014 11:21:19 GMT
Hahaha I'm impressed! It's not even just that to be fair, he's such a talent and is under-rated by mainstream media so bad. Feel sorry for him over the bowling ban thing too, he's always standing in the field nervously twitching his hand like he's dieing to have a bowl haha.
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Post by Rizzy on Oct 7, 2014 11:39:30 GMT
When you say mainstream media, who exactly do you mean? Foreign players rarely get recognition in general over here. Purely because no-one in England gives a crap about foreign players. That's why I'm surprised you love a non-english player. Unless you're a kiwi or supports the county he plays in. Didn't know about the bowling ban.
Cricinfo is great to keep up to date with the current affairs on cricket for most countries, if not all.
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Post by Бенне on Oct 7, 2014 11:48:06 GMT
When you say mainstream media, who exactly do you mean? Foreign players rarely get recognition in general over here. Purely because no-one in England gives a crap about foreign players. That's why I'm surprised you love a non-english player. Unless you're a kiwi or supports the county he plays in. Didn't know about the bowling ban. Cricinfo is great to keep up to date with the current affairs on cricket for most countries, if not all. You hear about Virat all the time, etc but I take your point. I have family over in New Zealand but not from there, never been there etc, but have an affinity for them in Cricket for whatever reason. Think he deserves as much recognition as Kohli gets, his batting style's far less eye catching though. He plays for Yorkshire, who I'm not a fan of at all, but still just glad for him to be playing in this country. Aye, it's great for a bit of humour as well, some of their tweets are brilliant. Also helped with keeping up with the Champion's League t20 last month!
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Post by suarez on Oct 7, 2014 16:52:20 GMT
I like kane williamson too for what it's worth haha
a couple of other players have come out backing what Pietersen's said, seems like Tremlett and Shahzad weren't happy with the enviroment either and I can see Compton and Bopara coming forward as well.
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Post by EdinBruges on Oct 7, 2014 16:57:47 GMT
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Post by Бенне on Oct 7, 2014 17:01:32 GMT
I'm not agreeing with KP as it seems, but again, there's a clear agenda throughout that haha.
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Post by Бенне on Oct 7, 2014 17:10:01 GMT
It also spells Cook's name wrong, so forgive me for questioning it's validity. EdinBruges Agnew's reporting it's not legit, thought as much.
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Post by suarez on Oct 7, 2014 17:24:39 GMT
Yeh it's really hard to trust either side without other players who weren't as involved coming out about it but that won't happen given that most will be under contract. Prior comes off as a right twat off of this though, always used to like him as well
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