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Post by Бенне on Feb 16, 2015 10:44:41 GMT
Especially when he'd still walk into your team lol.
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Brilliant weekend for Irish sport
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Post by EdinBruges on Feb 16, 2015 11:30:25 GMT
Thought they'd blown it towards the end of Windies innings when they started to get smacked around a bit. Decent result against an admittedly out of sorts West Indies but should give them a massive boost going forward.
We down to one match a day now?
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Post by Pedri fan account on Feb 16, 2015 14:32:02 GMT
Especially when he'd still walk into your team lol. I don't really get that about international cricket tbh. Weird rules where a player just moves between countries like they're clubs
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Post by Бенне on Feb 16, 2015 14:50:51 GMT
Especially when he'd still walk into your team lol. I don't really get that about international cricket tbh. Weird rules where a player just moves between countries like they're clubs Only really happens between us and you, and fwiw I disagree with it unless there's a fair reason. Strauss for example, born in South Africa but is English so no real problem there, Kevin Pietersen is an interesting one growing up in SA but still. Morgan and Joyce (the two Irish-English players) played for England because they felt there was a limit to what they could achieve playing for "lesser" Ireland so played for us, and I don't agree with that, you can't just choose to change to a more successful country, if you're that good you build them into something great, kind of like what Ed Joyce has been doing recently. So much time for the bloke now, a proper advocate for associate nations and a great player too.
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Post by Bollozczkowski on Feb 16, 2015 15:07:16 GMT
It's all about test cricket though isn't it, limits their earnings if they can't take part
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Post by EdinBruges on Feb 16, 2015 15:13:05 GMT
Test cricket is viewed as the pinnacle too by most of this countries players I imagine. Logic in moving over is sound, it just makes these ODI and T20 tournaments a bit silly when you've got Irishman Eoin Morgan leading out England to take on Ireland who have Ed Joyce in their team.
Just seems bizzarre that a player in 2007 could score the winnings runs for England against Ireland in the World Cup Final and in 2011 could then score the winning runs for Ireland against England in the World Cup Final.
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Post by Бенне on Feb 16, 2015 15:21:16 GMT
It's all about test cricket though isn't it, limits their earnings if they can't take part In terms of prestige, yes. In terms of finance, test cricket is far far from the most lucrative. Morgan turned down an IPL contract last year in order to try and play 4 day cricket for Middlesex and get into the test team, so he's clearly motivated by non-monetary factors, but by no means is Test Cricket that well paid in comparison to the BBL and IPL. In this country, there's a clearly established format hierarchy where Test Cricket and 4 day cricket exceed in value 50 over cricket and T20 cricket in terms of the prestige of winning things in it. The ultimate for the England squad is being number 1 in the Test rankings, rather than winning the World Cup, which fwiw I disagree with as I believe both should be evenly valued, but that's so hard to ingratiate into people's minds. In India on the other hand, due to the success of the IPL and the relative sterility of the Ranji Trophy and their domestic league, T20 and ODI cricket is the focus, and Test cricket is seen as sub-par and old-fashioned now, hence the fact that their test team is absolutely shocking despite the players it possesses. They focus more on the shorter formats because of the money involved in it, and the fact that their fans go absolutely berserk for it and you have to listen to the people at the end of the day. So in answer to your question, there's definitely that aspect of it, BUT again fwiw, I disagree with the current system where associates aren't permitted to play Test Cricket and instead play First Class 4 day matches against each other. That's a joke quite frankly, when the West Indies and Bangladesh have barely picked up a competitive win for years in Test Cricket and I fancy Ireland and Holland at least, on their day to give them a competitive Test match. If you have an international cricket team, you should be able to play Test Cricket and if you do shite consistently (I'm looking at Bangladesh here), your status is reviewed and you're put on a blacklist for a pre-determined period of time to try and encourage improvement. In fairness to Bangla, they're looking a lot better recently, but I don't think it's fair on the associates to deny them the privelege. Sorry, I went off on a bit of a side-rant there... TL:DR I agree with you, but the system's at fault.
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Post by Mycon on Feb 16, 2015 17:03:37 GMT
Irish cricket keeps achieving these great things at World Cups with no attention paid to them whatsoever when the World Cup isn't on. I feel like an American watching the Football World Cup.
And then yeah to add a spanner into the works, the English cricket captain is Irish which is still a little bit bizarre in my head. In a hypothetical situation where he scores a century as England win the World Cup, when it comes down to Irish Sports Personality of the Year, surely it is one of the best Irish performances of the year but it wouldn't seem right to celebrate it too much considering Ireland are in the same competition. It is confusing territory.
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Post by Pedri fan account on Feb 16, 2015 17:15:24 GMT
What's the story with test cricket and all that, why can't countries who perform well consistently get elevated up to test status?
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Post by Mycon on Feb 16, 2015 17:23:55 GMT
I would have thought originally that arrangement came about because a game of test cricket is so long and demanding, some nations wouldn't have been able to put up a fair game to the big boys, there would have been ridiculous scores. Whereas in the shorter formats, it's all on the day and they might be able to stay close if they had a good day.
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Post by Pedri fan account on Feb 16, 2015 17:36:54 GMT
I suppose, I'm just on the outside looking in I don't have a huge interest in cricket though I've enjoyed watching Twenty20 on the odd occasion. I just think you have to give weaker teams opportunity to grow and it doesn't seem like that happens in cricket though like I say, I'm probably wrong
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Post by suarez on Feb 16, 2015 17:42:14 GMT
idk I never really enjoy test games against Bangladesh etc as it always does end up in an inevitable win for the bigger team by an innings and Bangladesh haven't really been getting any better. I wouldn't mind giving Ireland test status having said that though.
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Post by Бенне on Feb 16, 2015 19:54:11 GMT
What's the story with test cricket and all that, why can't countries who perform well consistently get elevated up to test status? Put simply, money. It's a shambles quite frankly. I could rant about it at some length because Irish, Scottish and Dutch cricket deserve far better than they get really, but they can't offer the financial incentives a massive populous country like Bangaldesh can, even though they're shite. West Indian Cricket's demise is just really really sad, but seems so inevitably terminal that I don't think they'll ever be as good as they once were again.
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Post by suarez on Feb 16, 2015 22:09:15 GMT
rough start for Scotland. how come NZ are going to have played two games before Afghanistan/Bangladesh have even played one?
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