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Dec 20, 2013 18:19:19 GMT
Post by Childish on Dec 20, 2013 18:19:19 GMT
There's being a Silva fan and then just being too loyal to admit he fucked up in that fight.
'Perhaps should have tried to finish', fucking hell mate.
Luring people into wanting to swing wild is one thing and a tactic but the hiding behind the ref and stuff was just bullshit. Have you ever been to a UFC event? People pay £80 + for decent seats plus I'm sure some people flew over to Abu Dhabi and paid hotels to watch that. It was even worse than the Leites fight. There was a run of fights where Silva was very sub-par (Leties and Maia stick out, Coté was sort of going that way but the fight ended in the 2nd round iirc so it might not have went down the Maia/Leites route). The fans in the arena boo'd him and started cheering for Maia, Dana walked away in Round 4 and refused to put the title belt around his waist and even Anderson apologized and said that he wasn't himself and that he would need to go back and reevaluate his humility or something.
It's saying something that the Maia and Leites fights were the first 2 times he'd gone to decision in UFC, even though they were significantly weaker opponents than others he'd faced before. Sure they were both good ground fighters but Silva is a blackbelt and should have beat the shit out of the both of them standing. No coincidence he started TKOing Okami, Belfort, Bonnar etc after the Maia fight where Dana said he'd cut him if he pulled that shit again (he wouldn't have but still) and the Sonnen fight were he got dicked on for 22 minutes. He went through a patch of fights where he didn't seem interested and was putting on horrible performances compared to what he can do.
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Dec 20, 2013 18:42:50 GMT
Post by jaffers on Dec 20, 2013 18:42:50 GMT
He didn't fuck up though, he won lol
Too many fans look at it from the value for money point of view, which I completely get. Doing that though makes you a bit irrational at times, it's why so many people dislike GSP. As shown by the Weidman fight, all it takes is one punch to undo everything. GSP/Silva have the same type of mindset when approaching fights, which is to do enough to win without necessarily getting the finish. When he got 3 rounds up,he coasted, obviously more than he should, but at that time it's completely on Maia to try and win the fight. Added to that is the fact not many times has Silva straight ko'd somebody, I think Belfort, Griffin, and Okami are the times he's managed to do it without having to jump in and finish. You saw it in the fight, every time he caught Maia decently, Maia went down and looked for Silva to jump into his guard. The fact Silva didn't swarm in to finish, is just showing respect to Maia's ground game.
I do think he should've attacked more than he did in the last two rounds of the Maia fight, but the people who just constantly go with the 'He should've done everything to finish the fight' don't often consider the fighter just doing what he needs to do. It's an interesting thing really, in comparison to boxing. The boxing fans are very happy for a fight to go to decision, when in MMA it seems if you become a strategy fighter, you're always going to be less than loved.
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Dec 20, 2013 19:19:29 GMT
Post by Childish on Dec 20, 2013 19:19:29 GMT
Anderson isn't a 'strategy fighter' though (that's a bit of a stupid term because every fighter has a strategy but I get what you mean). He actually goes to finish people, he has never 'ground out' a decision win in UFC. What GSP does is totally different, he works people on the ground relentlessly for 25 minutes. And it's not me 'less than loving' strategy fighters, I've done amateur wrestling, BJJ and MMA and loved watching guys like Jon Fitch fight because that is a skill and if you can't stop Jon Fitch from taking you down and you can't get up from GSP holding you down and punching you for 25 minutes, too fucking bad you lose the fight and he out-fought you. It isn't boxing and you don't have to stand up and try to beat the guy that win. But Jon Fitch being cut is a whole different story lol.
Anderson is a counter punch who stands up with people, gets them to swing at him and he picks them off and knocks them out. Whether he KO'd them flat out or has to do one or two more punches to finish is irrelevant really, the style is that he lures people in and then catches them due to his amazing head movement, his precise striking, quickness and KO power. He hasn't even clinched Rich Franklin style in quite a while. And it probably would have worked with Weidman too, Anderson was comfortable in the first round and was luring Weidman in to standing with him. But again it's arguable the pretending to be hurt thing was just dickish too, but he was still throwing punches and kicks. The Weidman knockout was a carbon copy of the Forrest fight in the exact way he dodged the punches, except this time he got clipped. For all we know if that shot hadn't hit him he could have KO'd Weidman half a second later.
But in the Maia fight he barely threw any punches, he just clowned around. He ran away when Maia half grabbed an arm (like literally ran comically, the crowd laughed), hid behind the ref, started to go on to one knee and a whole host of all other shit. Pretty sure he pretended to play a guitar for about 2 seconds. It was just clowning around with no effort at all to actually finish the guy. If after round 2 he started to really go at Maia it'd have fine but he just didn't and got worse as the fight went on. Look at the Forrest fight, who didn't love that? It was some matrix style shit and he just picked him off 2 or 3 times with deadly shots and dropped him a few times before eventually KOing him. It was cool and it was fighting and it was skilful and entertaining. His fights against Maia + Leites weren't fights, they were 'so jokes' like you said but who wants to stay up to 6am to watch the guy hide behind the ref and eventually have to have the fight stopped to be warned for his conduct? It was bullshit.
Of course people look at from the money view because they pay to go to these things or pay $40 or whatever it is Americans pay :s I didn't do either of those things for the Maia or Leites fights but they were both still ridiculous. I'm looking at it from a fighting point of view in which it was a total joke, you not seeing that is just pledging blind allegiance to Silva, but when an arena boos you and cheers the other guy when usually arenas chant your name, you've done something wrong.
Edit: Not to mention the screaming 'Punch me in the face prettyboy' and 'Show me your fancy jiu-jitsu skills now' during the fight which Anderson begged Maia forgiveness for apparently...
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Dec 20, 2013 19:47:55 GMT
Post by jaffers on Dec 20, 2013 19:47:55 GMT
Fitch ultimately got cut because whilst he is a very good fighter, it was evident he wasn't ever going to be champion in UFC. So there wasn't a huge amount of things he could do there, and it freed up a roster slot.
I know his style, but counter punching isn't purely about KOing somebody from the start. Again, the counter punching argument can be how do you counter punch somebody who just refuses to strike with you. Maia only really tried to go for it in the third, the rest of the fight he was content putting out feelers, but never really committed to any kind of stand up attack. I've never actually said what he did was cool, just said that it was funny which it was. As much as people can jump all over Silva for not going mental and swarming with attacks, barely anybody mentions the fact that Maia just didn't engage in the stand up.
On the trash talk, the amount of fighters that talk shit in fights is mental. Then you have Paul Daley who went mental and punch Kos after the fight.
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Dec 20, 2013 20:03:53 GMT
Post by Childish on Dec 20, 2013 20:03:53 GMT
I just spent the past 25 minutes rewatching the fight and it was the most retarded thing I've ever seen. The fact this conversation is happening or that you loved the majority of the fight and then excused the last 2 as him being respectful of Maia's skills is retarded.
'I apologize to everybody. I don't know what got in to me tonight. I'm really sorry to all you guys. I don't know what happened me tonight, and I guarantee you that next time it won't happen"
Not only do I dislike the fight, Dana stormed out of the fight, even Anderson promised he'd never fight like that again. It's ok if a fight is boring but when a guy does what he did it's a whole other level.
Fitch got cut because he's a "boring" fighter that nobody pays to see and who had a massive salary. If you're cutting guys for not being champions in the UFC then cut 70-80% of the roster. Dan Hardy, Koscheck, Thiago Alves, Jason Miller, Chris Leben are just 5 names that come to me who won't be UFC Champions. Fitch lost to the guy who probably should be and will be the Welterweight Champion, drew with one of the GOAT BJ Penn, won with a FOTN and then lost a decision to Maia and got cut lol. Retarded decision, basically everyone has vocally criticised the decision (even Rogan iirc).
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Dec 20, 2013 20:26:54 GMT
Post by jaffers on Dec 20, 2013 20:26:54 GMT
It's the same reason Dana cut another high profile fighter, but I forget who. There's a select group of guys who fall into a very tough category where they're better than most of the weight class, but not good enough to be champion Fitch got ko'd a second time after he got cut, I wouldn't be hugely surprised to see him hang up the gloves soon.
The first 3 rounds were decent, the last 2 obviously weren't. I can excuse 2 bad rounds, given what he'd already done in the UFC.
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Dec 20, 2013 20:31:02 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 20:31:02 GMT
Yushin Okami probably, Jaff.
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Dec 20, 2013 21:08:40 GMT
Post by Childish on Dec 20, 2013 21:08:40 GMT
Yeah but to cut someone because they're better than the majority of other people is so stupid lol. When did he get KO'd? Thought he got subbed by Josh Burkman and then won a decision about 2 months ago. He's 35 so I think he'll probably try to win a title before he retires. Hope he wins one.
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Dec 20, 2013 21:18:33 GMT
Post by jaffers on Dec 20, 2013 21:18:33 GMT
Yushin Okami probably, Jaff. That's the guy, Sonnen's Okami story is hilarious. May well have been a sub. Anyway, you have to look at it from a selling point. You have guys who wont win the title, but fill a card and will put in respectable performance. Then you have guys you consider 'Main event' type draws, which is made up of the champion/guys that could be champion, and guys that aren't quite championship level, but are above being a card filler. I know card filler is a harsh term, but I couldn't think of a better one. With Fitch, like Okami they've both been in the UFC a long time. Yet don't have that 'UFC History' sell to them, which guys like BJ, Mir etc. have which keeps them safe for longer. Jackson was one that did eventually leave, but he was held onto way past his time in the UFC. The idea is you cut guys like Fitch/Okami to make way for people of a similar level to come in and take their place and work towards a legitimate shot. In the WW division guys like Maia, and Rory somewhat fill that mold. They're probably still holding out on Diaz eventually rolling back into town also.
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Dec 20, 2013 21:19:11 GMT
Post by Stu on Dec 20, 2013 21:19:11 GMT
when is Brock Lesnar fighting again!?!?!?!?
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Dec 20, 2013 21:26:41 GMT
Post by jaffers on Dec 20, 2013 21:26:41 GMT
when is Brock Lesnar fighting again!?!?!?!? This is why everybody hates you.
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Dec 28, 2013 0:12:09 GMT
Post by jaffers on Dec 28, 2013 0:12:09 GMT
Weigh ins just started.
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Dec 28, 2013 0:20:26 GMT
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Post by Shinra on Dec 28, 2013 0:20:26 GMT
As usual it's what I look forward to the most but I'm gonna record it and watch it Sunday morning or something instead. It's just too much staying up all night
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Dec 28, 2013 0:33:34 GMT
Post by Stu on Dec 28, 2013 0:33:34 GMT
when is Brock Lesnar fighting again!?!?!?!? This is why everybody hates you. read earlier he might actually be going back lool
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Dec 28, 2013 17:14:26 GMT
Post by Childish on Dec 28, 2013 17:14:26 GMT
Anderson by T(KO) Rousey in R1 Barnett to win Siver to win Bahadurzada to win
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