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Post by suarez on Feb 15, 2015 0:13:46 GMT
Thought i'd make this so there's a place to talk politics especially with the run up to the election and everything. Interesting quiz for those who haven't tried it, I side with the Lib Dems the most (actually i've just done it again and it's now the Greens with 82%) but I really can't see myself voting for them after they got into the bed with the tories. Also Nick Clegg might lose his seat in the election as there's a huge student base in his constituency and they're obviously not happy about him bullshitting about tuition fees. Also while it was very much designed for a bbc three audience I thought this was a decent program by one of the The Revolution Will Not Be Televised people mainly about why young people don't vote. So yeah, talk about politics and stuff.
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Post by The Quito Diet on Feb 15, 2015 0:26:04 GMT
There is simply no logical reason to vote for the Tory's unless you've been born into an upper class family.
88% Labour 68% LibDem 66% Green 56% Tory 46% UKIP
Seems about right.
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Post by Бенне on Feb 15, 2015 0:31:45 GMT
The Revolution Will Be Televised >>>
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 0:32:26 GMT
I'm not really strongly political or anything so this probably doesn't even mean much. Only things I have strong opinions on are immigration and tuition fees.
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Post by The Quito Diet on Feb 15, 2015 0:34:09 GMT
Easy really, just look at the media, most of the papers are pro-Tory and most of the City are pro-Tory because in return for their support they get loopholes and tax breaks. Plus old people will vote for them because they believe all the tripe in the Mail and the Express about immigrants being at fault for everything (take a quick glance at UKIP candidates and voters) and stealing benefits whilst wilfully claiming their winter fuel allowance and free bus pass.
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Post by jaffers on Feb 15, 2015 0:50:31 GMT
I did this ages ago, don't remember the % but I got Labour. Tbh I'm probably a mix of Labour/Lib-Dem. Voting is a weird thing tbh, and a lot of it balances off of tradition. So much of it is my parents voted this, so I'll vote this. It's the reason why seats stay the same for so long in certain areas. The Green Party are becoming a bigger joke by the week, but that's fine because I suspect even they feel people won't really vote for them in any meaningful numbers.
The big problem is the older generation tend to vote Tory, unless they're still seething about Thatcher (which my nan is), and they actually vote in big numbers. The younger generation are much less pro-Tory, but they're also a lot less likely to vote. It's a big problem really, and when it comes to politics someone is always going to get fucked, it's unavoidable. As a party you just look at voting statistics and base your decision of who is more likely to vote, it's the reason any benefit, or decision affecting the elderly will always favor them because they will turn up and vote. Whereas with younger people it's easier to throw them under the proverbial bus, because they're less likely to have an impact on your polling %.
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Post by suarez on Feb 15, 2015 0:51:14 GMT
Yeah I suppose, it's just a bit difficult for me to comprehend that they've still got a fighting chance of winning the election even with the ridiculous amount of scandals/cock ups they've made in the last four years.
I mean George Osborne missed out on his deficits targets by tens of billions and added needlessly to the national debt all while taking away from vital public services and disability benefits etc, there was a report the other week that they've said they've catastrophically damaged the NHS in the last four years when the should've been reforming it, they've messed up education even more with Gove's vanity projects, inequality is increasing at the fastest level since the 1920's etc etc and they still might get into downing street as Ed Miliband looks a bit weird and isn't as pro-tax avoidance as them.
Not to sound like i'm belittling people but it's scary to see how easily influenced people can be by that sort of rubbish, I didn't really believe UKIP had any proper support among average people until I found out that at least a quarter of the people in my college want to vote for them, for reasons such as "immigrants want to come over here and turn this into Muslimland with sharia law".
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Post by The Quito Diet on Feb 15, 2015 0:53:21 GMT
Depressing, isn't it.
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Post by suarez on Feb 15, 2015 0:55:38 GMT
/end thread
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 1:02:28 GMT
90% Green (environmental, healthcare, social, transportation)- No trident, no fracking, natural power supplies like wind farming etc
- No private healthcare, charge for non-EU tourists to use the current healthcare system
- Less restrictions on welfare and invest more money into it, keep the Human Rights Act
- No HSR, support London Underground workers' righ to strike
74% Labour (economy, foreign policy, social)
- 50% tax on income over £150,000, higher corporate tax
- No financial aid to countries with human rights violations, renegotiate our financial involvement in the EU
- As above with #3
72% Lib Dem (foreign policy, healthcare, education)
- (Education) No tuition fees for UK citizens, promotion of free schools, no to reintroducing public grammar schooling
58% BNP (transport)
- Erm, no idea. Investing more money into the current British Railway rather than developing more?
51% UKIP (education, social)
- Got me beat on this to be honest. Probably something to do with charging non-UK citizens tuition.
- Socially, absolutely no idea. We are utterly polar as far as social reform goes.
46% Tory (education, social)
- Probably just because I didn't scrap tuition fees
- Again, no idea for social reform
Not that bad, I think some of the answers are too aligned with some parties though. There is definitely a more accurate political alignment test online where it essentially shows you as a dot on a four way x and y graph compared to the likes of stalin, hitler, ghandi rah rah rah.
As with the BNP and UKIP, I'm pretty sure just because I remotely showed an interest in prioritising "British" jobs or institutions per se that I immediately increased my percentage but ultimately the concept of nationalism is stupid. Well, maybe I like nationalism in the French Revolution sense, but I don't see that being what either of them support. Unsurprised that I'm so high on Green. I usually come up straight communist in these things to be fair. Last time I did one I was about 85% Labour, too, and I haven't really changed my opinions on many things so that's where they are right now then.
I really would like to be able to vote Green and feel like I'm making an impact but it would be wholly pointless given I'm in a Tory stronghold. Plus I still believe in #RedEd
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Post by suarez on Feb 15, 2015 1:04:50 GMT
I remember that, I was very similar to Ghandi iirc edit: link if you're interested daveyposhboy
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 1:11:27 GMT
I've been thinking more about that recently, I genuinely don't understand how the tories get so many votes. I really don't get how someone can make a logical decision that voting tory would benefit them unless they are in the top 10% or so of earners. Obviously they might have a specific policy/stance that you agree with but how they get so many votes baffles me a bit. Poor people don't vote. I'd wager a good chunk of the 32% of the electorate that went missing in the last general election turnout were center-left, which means Labour/Lib Dem would have won. It's not going to get better any time soon, either. The likes of Cameron, Farage etc are able to appeal to that acute white-van-man mentality that they are owed something more than what they've got. Which is true to an extent. But because one of the prerequisites of being such a voter is that you are obviously fucking ignorant to the thieving elite's perpetual mugging off of the lower to lower-middle class, that is instead presented as immigration and benefit cheats who take drugs and don't know an honest days work etc,etc. Which is horrible when you think of it. If the British electorate could just vote on purely economic terms, which I think determines every single thing, you'd never get a Tory in a position of power again. Well, not outside of North West London at least. edit Just realised most I've said has already been covered, didn't refresh before posting :> You know what else really fucks me off is that Britain...whilst I hate using that word but wouldn't limit what I'm about to say to only England... really needs a revolution. Something real, boots on the ground, breaking down doors, real. But Russell Brand has well and truly fucked that off with his exhausting vocabulary and self-indulgent need to lace every remotely sensible and agreeable comment with some rubbish joke.
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Post by suarez on Feb 15, 2015 1:18:07 GMT
yep, near Ghandi.
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Post by The Quito Diet on Feb 15, 2015 1:27:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 1:29:43 GMT
I was -2.25 and -6.92, centre-left very much towards libertarianism.
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