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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 22:36:58 GMT
Easy to just blame Sterling for the whole thing, no one knows if Gomez did anything to provoke the reaction that he got. Obviously unacceptable, but I think England/Southgate have made it 100x worse than it needed to be. If you’re going to say an altercation took place, you need to be a bit more specific since one of the players is pictured later with a big scratch under his eye. Drop them both at least, or grow a pair and accept things got heated but its done now and the focus is on getting the best result possible Thursday. why drop Gomez? By all accounts he's done nothing wrong
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Post by Stu on Nov 12, 2019 22:56:43 GMT
You really think Sterling just strolled into the England camp this morning and randomly grabbed him round the throat, with no little snide comments or ‘banter’ beforehand that wound him up?
Come off it.
Both need dropping or neither, you can’t single one person out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 23:05:57 GMT
Obviously they’ll have said something (Henderson, Trent and Gomez will have all had a laugh) but that’ll happen at every England camp.
Sterling’s clearly just taken it personally. It’s like he’s never experienced rivalry before. He totally lost his head during the game as well, he looked rattled for most of it despite how well he played.
I don’t think either should be dropped especially not publicly shamed for it. But if anyone is going to be singled out for it it should be the one bringing his frustration from a club game into internationals. He can’t have seriously expected to walk in Monday morning and think everyone from the Liverpool squad was gonna be all ‘oh unlucky yesterday Raheem’. They’ve run over the league for the last two years and already beaten us in a final this season, give him a bit of stick wherever you can.
And I can be certain Walker and Sterling would be doing the same if they’d won.
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Post by Stu on Nov 12, 2019 23:38:21 GMT
Then the ones bringing ‘banter’ and shit from club games should be dropped as well. Cant expect him to leave all frustration from the game at home but think its fine for the Liverpool lads to have all the digs in the world purely because City have been better in the last 2 years.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 2:30:04 GMT
You really think Sterling just strolled into the England camp this morning and randomly grabbed him round the throat, with no little snide comments or ‘banter’ beforehand that wound him up? Come off it. Both need dropping or neither, you can’t single one person out. there's no evidence that Gomez has wound up Sterling up, all we know is that Sterling has attacked him. Every chance Sterling has been bubbling since Sunday and attacked Gomez without him (or any of the other Liverpool players) saying nowt yeah you can, you can single out the lad who's physically attacked his own fucking team mate. this is an example of the leeway that Sterling's getting, can you imagine if the likes of Rooney had done this?
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Post by Simon on Nov 13, 2019 8:17:05 GMT
You really think Sterling just strolled into the England camp this morning and randomly grabbed him round the throat, with no little snide comments or ‘banter’ beforehand that wound him up? So now we're saying it's impossible for someone to start an altercation unless they're provoked into it? It's impossible that Sterling went over to Gomez to confront him about the incident in the game and it escalted from there? Because that's literally what every source is reporting happened. Also don't know why Henderson is being dragged into the 'Liverpool banter' speculation as well when he wasn't even there. He called them both later on to act as peacemaker.
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Post by allah on Nov 13, 2019 8:40:42 GMT
Man the Athletic is so trash. 'Newspapers have terrible reporting and are all just clickbait and rumours.' Meanwhile they're as bad as anyone with the current situation. Also I've still yet to read an article that's actually good from them, their one on Lovren being good because he corrected an error by sticking a leg out after having pointlessly thrown himself to the ground was ridiculous. Charging money for that level of analysis is laughable.
Anyway aside from that I think the right decision has been made. Not giving any punishment to someone for physically assaulting someone is a sure-fire way to build resentment.
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Post by daveyposhboy on Nov 13, 2019 21:40:25 GMT
I never understood why anybody paid for that when it was unveiled, and overall just find it baffling that The Athletic has any sort of traction in Europe. It works for sports like Baseball, NFL and NBA because those sports are far more transparent in terms of relationships between players and beat writers. Also analysis for those sports I think has a lot more room for interpretation and versatility. With football it's really still pretty amateurish aside from a few youtube channels and even then it's really nothing that hasn't been summed up in a passing article in the Mirror for free (the City tactical fouling video comes to mind).
I can appreciate the fact that if you followed a bunch of talking heads on twitter you've now lost a chunk of your timeline, but.... there are others out there? At least indie wordpress writers or OC contributors on reddit aren't fleecing you for the fact that they have a line editor.
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Post by notpropaganda on Nov 13, 2019 22:44:48 GMT
I haven’t subbed to the Athletic because honestly I find a lot of the top level “analysis” of football really boring. The best football writing doesn’t dive in to all the nonsense about transitions and all that bollocks, just look at Jack Pitt-Brookes on-the-whistle report from the second leg v Barca at Anfield. That is class and the stuff I love reading (although I can’t find it now so I dunno if I’ve wrong writer). Or I’d love long-form interviews on players who haven’t made it, or were hyped and have has to reinvent themselves etc (like the one I shared with Jack Byrne written by David Sneyd).
Sometimes that’s down to the subject as well, but there are great football journos out there (and sports journos in general) and the industry is struggling to come up with a model to support them. Plus as sad as it is... this nonsense sells and gets people talking.
I don’t really blame the Athletic for trying to apply their successful model to football but I don’t think it’ll work long term because things are so regionalised in the States, it’s a little different.
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Post by notpropaganda on Nov 13, 2019 22:52:08 GMT
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Post by allah on Nov 13, 2019 23:06:11 GMT
Still can't tell if I like Liew but getting so amazingly under Agnew's skin was fucking hilarious.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 2:17:40 GMT
I put off subscribing to the Athletic for a while but they have a few NBA writers whose stuff I like so when they got a load of football writers onboard and were offering discounted subscriptions I bit the bullet. Thought I may as well check some of their football stuff and meh, I’ve really not bothered with it.
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Post by notpropaganda on Nov 14, 2019 16:26:32 GMT
hope you'll all be tuned into the biggest game of the evening, that's right, a friendly versus New Zealand in Dublin on a cold night in November, Lansdowne will be rocking.
Troy Parrott making his debut, the first of 200 caps and maybe he'll get his first goal of 100 for Ireland, who knows, I don't wanna put too much pressure on him
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Post by Heung-Min Pleat on Nov 14, 2019 19:13:29 GMT
Finally, Alexander-Arnold and Chilwell thank fuck
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Post by Heung-Min Pleat on Nov 14, 2019 19:15:56 GMT
Even without Sterling we've still got a quality attack on paper, and plenty of options on the bench, to have Hudson-Odoi, Maddison, Abraham and even Wilson are some really good options to turn to. Some good attacking depth for the first time in way too long
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