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Post by Бенне on Oct 19, 2014 12:39:52 GMT
Personally I have to say I think it's a sketchy conviction. Admittedly he's got to pay for his crime, and regardless of opinion that's what they are as he's been charged and found guilty, but having served his sentence, he does deserve a 2nd chance in my opinion, and given the somewhat questionable nature of the conviction, I can understand and accept Sheffield United offering him a way back.
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Post by sween on Oct 19, 2014 12:51:47 GMT
as if someone cant tell the difference between a child molester teacher and a rapist footballer
what if he ends up as a highly paid hedge fund manager in 10 years? might give him an ego so he goes round raping again. better just ban him from ever earning more than 20k just to be safe
what a load of shite
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Post by Cashis on Oct 19, 2014 13:06:31 GMT
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Post by U R GAY on Oct 19, 2014 13:19:12 GMT
as if someone cant tell the difference between a child molester teacher and a rapist footballer what if he ends up as a highly paid hedge fund manager in 10 years? might give him an ego so he goes round raping again. better just ban him from ever earning more than 20k just to be safe what a load of shite Our only difference seems to be the way we view the crime. I'm not viewing him as some unlucky lad who got abit over exuberant and caught with his pants down. I'm viewing him as someone who has committed a serious crime and putting him in a position to be celebrated goes against what I'd be comfortable with. Like I say, I've no doubts that he'll get another job in football and I'm not arguing that there aren't already equally or more sketchy criminals that have been allowed back in. The girl was reckless and certainly put herself in a vulnerable position but that doesn't make Evans' actions justified. I'm simply taking the view that he's gone to meet McDonald & this girl and taken the conscious decision that he's having sex with this girl regardless of whether she's given him consent or not. And that there's a normal mindset when if a girl isn't giving you the come on (or in this case is almost comatose!) that you'd stop trying. There might not be any violent intent there but there is certainly a deviancy that is judged in our society as criminal. I merely suggested that his environment could be as much of a reason for his decision as anything else and throwing him back in that environment is not necessarily the best/safest thing for the public or even himself to be honest. Of course it isn't as black and white as a paedo teacher and I was taking the extreme example to make a point that just because you served your time doesn't mean you should automatically be allowed back into the same profession. I think everyone would agree putting said child molester in a school would be a tremendous risk, because despite served time or reform through prison, there is a sexual deviancy there that is beyond and is always going to be a threat. I'm suggesting that convicted rapists should also be considered to have a sexual deviancy that whilst is obviously less taboo than paedophilia, does have potential for it to happen again and throwing the person back exactly in the same environment that could possibly have been an excuse for their first crime is not the smartest thing to do. Someone made the point to me yesterday that we should offer 2nd chances using the example of Mike Tyson as someone who reformed after raping someone. Well as I remember, he bit someone's ear off & went bankrupt. It was when he left the major spotlight of being in boxing that he was able to reform with the right help.
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Post by U R GAY on Oct 19, 2014 13:29:00 GMT
Tell ya' what, reading them court notes, rapist or not, what little self-respect must Evans' girlfriend have? Bet she's gutted she hadn't already married him...
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Post by The Quito Diet on Oct 19, 2014 13:29:19 GMT
I'm simply taking the view that he's gone to meet McDonald & this girl and taken the conscious decision that he's having sex with this girl regardless of whether she's given him consent or not. Based on what? The woman claims she has no memory of even going into the hotel (so how on Earth the jury found Evans guilty but McDonald not is already farcical in itself) so the only evidence from inside the room is from McDonald and Evans, both of whom have said she was not only consenting but enthusiastic in doing so. There is literally zero evidence to support the claim that it was against her will. None. Nothing. Nada. It's a conviction solely based around her being deemed by a jury to be too drunk to consent to a threesome, but not too drunk to consent to having sex.
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Post by Бенне on Oct 19, 2014 13:32:48 GMT
Tell ya' what, reading them court notes, rapist or not, what little self-respect must Evans' girlfriend have? Bet she's gutted she hadn't already married him... She's richer than he is, haha.
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Post by U R GAY on Oct 19, 2014 13:42:05 GMT
I'm simply taking the view that he's gone to meet McDonald & this girl and taken the conscious decision that he's having sex with this girl regardless of whether she's given him consent or not. Based on what? The woman claims she has no memory of even going into the hotel (so how on Earth the jury found Evans guilty but McDonald not is already farcical in itself) so the only evidence from inside the room is from McDonald and Evans, both of whom have said she was not only consenting but enthusiastic in doing so. There is literally zero evidence to support the claim that it was against her will. None. Nothing. Nada. It's a conviction solely based around her being deemed by a jury to be too drunk to consent to a threesome, but not too drunk to consent to having sex. Reading those court notes, I interpreted it that the type of sex acts that were performed may have played a part in saving McDonald, with McDonald it states 'various' sex acts were performed, which I think you could assume includes stuff like a blowjob which whilst would be possible if she was out of it, would generally suggest that she was consenting and a willing participant. With Evans, it makes a point of stating that the two things that happened were that he went down on her and that he had vaginal intercourse, both of which could be performed without her being a willing participant. It's gone through appeals and they've been turned down, so it's not even just the initial jury. There's obviously something there in his story that isn't passing the judgement of not only the jury but what was described in those notes as "an experienced and highly respected judge".
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Post by ChappyHova on Oct 19, 2014 13:47:43 GMT
Is he fucking messing
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Post by ChappyHova on Oct 19, 2014 13:48:53 GMT
Hahahaha that was meant about Balotelli
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Post by Mycon on Oct 19, 2014 13:55:25 GMT
I'm no lawyer but reading those notes it seems a bit dodgy to me.
I think he should be allowed to play. He's done his time, point of the justice system is to reform criminals. It's not like he's gotten off scot-free, he's after spending time in prison for it.
He's playing in League One, not a global star or anything, Sheffield United have offered him the contract. Wouldn't be the first time in sport that someone has returned from prison and continued their career and there have been a lot more concrete cases than this one.
Is he really going to be a hero now because he scores a few goals anyway? He's going to get lots of abuse from the stands, his team-mates might be cold to him. It's not as if Marlon King or Lee Hughes are national heroes now. He's always going to have that stigma attached to him, it's not as if he's going to have a seamless, hassle-free career from here in anyway.
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Post by The Quito Diet on Oct 19, 2014 13:56:26 GMT
Reading those court notes, I interpreted it that the type of sex acts that were performed may have played a part in saving McDonald, with McDonald it states 'various' sex acts were performed, which I think you could assume includes stuff like a blowjob which whilst would be possible if she was out of it, would generally suggest that she was consenting and a willing participant. But they've only got his word to go off with that one, so if that is the case why would his word be enough to clear him but Evans' isn't? But again that's solely from Evans' own testimony of what happened, so why would that be accepted as fact but him saying she consented enthusiastically not be? It all seems to hinge on the definition of consent, and it's application in a state of extreme intoxication. I would understand, though not agree, if both of them were found guilty based on her being too intoxicated to offer consent; to offer a split verdict based on essentially the same evidence is just a shambles imo.
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Post by notpropaganda on Oct 19, 2014 14:03:46 GMT
Cut off his knob and then let him play all he wants (Y)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 14:10:04 GMT
Best of luck to him. Always been on the side of believing he didn't do it, he's served the mandatory portion of his sentence and ordinarily, he'd struggle to get a job now with a criminal record, especially a sexual assault conviction. But football's a different business, we've had Lee Hughes and Steve Finnan kill people and still being brought back into football. So I hope he re-signs for Sheffield United and has a decent career, because judging by the victim's actions afterwards, he's been robbed and will just want to forget the last couple of years.
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Oct 19, 2014 14:16:15 GMT
wrote a huge essay on why i don't think he should play before my chrome crashed, cheers for that laptop m8 i don't feel he should play again. the basic gist of the case was that the girl gave consent to mcdonald but not to him - consent isn't your mate texting you to come to someone's room to fuck. consent is a clear, sober yes, not the absence of a no. the weird seedy reaction of people releasing her name and threatening her to the point where she had to leave town also was unnerving since all these people know for certain is that a court ruled she was raped, not to mention the other weird seedyness like how judy finnigan somehow thinks lack of violence makes a rape less-rapey he's got every right to protest his innocence but a court ruled he was guilty, which carries far more weight especially considering the frankly frightening amount of rapists who don't do any time at all. and yes prison should be for rehabilitation and you should be allowed a life but it does not owe you a right to work in a certain field. a criminal record affects employability in almost every industry, and in one where players, like it or not, are idolized and adulated, a convicted rapist should not be celebrated and revered. it gives a weird message of acceptance to this sort of thingevan's own QC said after the conviction that his career was lost. it should be The guy was convicted. He did his time. He is on the sex offender's register for life. There is a bunch of stuff he will never be allowed to do as a result. Is that not the punishment society has deemed legally adequate? What you're asking is for football to create a special precedent as an industry in not employing him because he once did a bad thing completely unrelated to his field of work. The conviction rate (or lack of) for rape has NOTHING to do with this given that a) he is in no way responsible for those statistics b) he has come out of the other side of that system so it no longer concerns him anyway.
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