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Post by Dan on Mar 2, 2015 21:45:34 GMT
All I care about is seeing a picture of the 15 year old. If she's decent then let him off.
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Post by Dan on Mar 2, 2015 21:45:54 GMT
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Post by sween on Mar 2, 2015 21:46:12 GMT
what happens if the verdict is he thought she was legal? Again no criminal lawyer so could be wrong but I believe that's no defence as it's your job to know. if he's met her somewhere where under 18s aren't supposed to be allowed and she had a fake ID then that's just fucking stupid, it's literally impossible to know otherwise
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Post by Mycon on Mar 2, 2015 21:47:51 GMT
Again no criminal lawyer so could be wrong but I believe that's no defence as it's your job to know. if he's met her somewhere where under 18s aren't supposed to be allowed and she had a fake ID then that's just fucking stupid, it's literally impossible to know otherwise Yeah that's what I was thinking, is that not at least partly the nightclubs fault for letting minors in?
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Post by Бенне on Mar 2, 2015 21:49:13 GMT
Having researched it, I'm correct as far as I can tell. There's no defence for lack of knowledge or being told otherwise.
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Post by The Quito Diet on Mar 2, 2015 21:51:21 GMT
Having researched it, I'm correct as far as I can tell. There's no defence for lack of knowledge or being told otherwise. So what's he meant to do then?
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Post by jaffers on Mar 2, 2015 21:53:01 GMT
Either A) Shut his mouth as tight as possible, and hope there's no physical evidence of the two of them fucking. Or B) I don't have a B, it's pretty much A or he's fucked.
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Post by sween on Mar 2, 2015 21:55:05 GMT
the entire scope of laws regarding rape are absolutely fucked as far as i can tell
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Post by Бенне on Mar 2, 2015 21:55:35 GMT
I might be wrong tbh, I may be getting the law on under 12's confused with people between 13-15, I'm not sure.
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Post by jaffers on Mar 2, 2015 21:57:18 GMT
Yeah, I mean if there's physical evidence of or alluding to the fact two people had sex if one then goes on to claim rape there's pretty much nothing the other can do, even if it was fully consensual.
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Post by Stu on Mar 2, 2015 21:58:40 GMT
if shes in a nightclub then it should be their fault, cos if hes meeting her in there he is of the assumption that shes over 18, or she wouldnt be there
not like you're going to go on a night out and ask every bird in a club if they've got ID just to make sure
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Post by The Quito Diet on Mar 2, 2015 21:59:42 GMT
Eh at the moment that's not really the case which is why the amount of convictions is so low, the proposal to put the emphasis on the accused to prove there was consent (thus entirely removing the key principle to the modern legal system which is innocent until proven guilty) is a misguided attempt to change that but I don't agree that it's the case that a victim can just claim rape and the accused is found guilty on that alone. Though it is somewhat unfair imo that they're named and shamed and get their name and reputation dragged through the mud before they're found guilty of any crime.
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Post by jaffers on Mar 2, 2015 22:02:59 GMT
Eh at the moment that's not really the case which is why the amount of convictions is so low, the proposal to put the emphasis on the accused to prove there was consent (thus entirely removing the key principle to the modern legal system which is innocent until proven guilty) is a misguided attempt to change that but I don't agree that it's the case that a victim can just claim rape and the accused is found guilty on that alone. Though it is somewhat unfair imo that they're named and shamed and get their name and reputation dragged through the mud before they're found guilty of any crime. That's because right now the majority of people who report rape, do so a few days/weeks after the attack. At which point all physical evidence is gone. Then it becomes one persons word against the other, which is why numbers of convictions are so low currently.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 22:04:27 GMT
pretty hard to prove any sexual encounter generally, a lot of it must just come down to balance of probability. unlike the other recent one, it seems to have just been johnson and girl A in the room. how are you supposed to definitively affirm that he did actually have sex with her?
I don't even know if I want him to get away with it. let's be honest now, he's not some serial paedophile who had sex with an 11 year old, the girl is on the cusp of what our country deems to be sexual maturity. think the big thing is his age, if it was a 17/18 year old player doing this I don't think there pups be much noise despite it still falling under the same law. if he knowingly had sex with a 15 year old though he's made his own bed and has to accept the #repercussions
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Post by allah on Mar 2, 2015 22:13:34 GMT
Do you think the age of consent should be charged? Genuine question. Personall think it's a bit odd at how anyone who has sex with say a 15 year old is classed as a paedophile, should be hung drawn and quartered, castrate him, kill him etc... yet you could go to other parts of the world and not be committing a crime. Like, the age of consent is a legal guideline, yet it doesn't mean someone at 14 isn't 'ready and able to consent' to sexual activities nor does it mean a 16 year old automatically is. There has to be an age of consent though. Any age you care to pick would have similar problems and ridiculous situations, but a standard age of consent is vital.
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