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Post by Kesh on Mar 2, 2015 22:18:08 GMT
pretty hard to prove any sexual encounter generally, a lot of it must just come down to balance of probability. unlike the other recent one, it seems to have just been johnson and girl A in the room. how are you supposed to definitively affirm that he did actually have sex with her? I don't even know if I want him to get away with it. let's be honest now, he's not some serial paedophile who had sex with an 11 year old, the girl is on the cusp of what our country deems to be sexual maturity. think the big thing is his age, if it was a 17/18 year old player doing this I don't think there pups be much noise despite it still falling under the same law. if he knowingly had sex with a 15 year old though he's made his own bed and has to accept the #repercussions It's a higher threshold than balance of probabilities. And a player wouldn't be in trouble if they were 17/18. Also reasonable belief is a defence so that fake ID thing someone mentioned wouldn't get him convicted
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Post by The Quito Diet on Mar 2, 2015 22:18:21 GMT
Personall think it's a bit odd at how anyone who has sex with say a 15 year old is classed as a paedophile, should be hung drawn and quartered, castrate him, kill him etc... yet you could go to other parts of the world and not be committing a crime. Like, the age of consent is a legal guideline, yet it doesn't mean someone at 14 isn't 'ready and able to consent' to sexual activities nor does it mean a 16 year old automatically is. There has to be an age of consent though. Any age you care to pick would have similar problems and ridiculous situations, but a standard age of consent is vital. Oh of course, I just find it peculiar how it's absolutely 100% set in stone that you can be judged and treated as a paedophile in this country for the same acts somebody in another country (or in the case of America, even just another state) enjoys freely. Appreciate it has to be set in stone for it to be legally acted upon, just think there's a lot more to it than just looking at any case of sex with a girl below the age of 16 with the accused as a paedophile.
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Post by allah on Mar 2, 2015 22:30:50 GMT
Well yeah, absolutely no complaints there. Education as always is the backbone of pretty much every public change in opinion.
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Post by ic on Mar 2, 2015 22:31:44 GMT
It doesn't matter what's happening in other countries though, does it
I can't complain about being caught doing 90 on a motorway just because they do it in chile
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Post by The Quito Diet on Mar 2, 2015 22:36:38 GMT
It doesn't matter what's happening in other countries though, does it I can't complain about being caught doing 90 on a motorway just because they do it in chile Speeding is hardly the same as being on the sex offeners register for life and being branded as a paedophile and having to live with that tag and the stigma attatched to it.
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Post by ic on Mar 2, 2015 22:38:20 GMT
What if you were speeding to fuck a 15 year old?
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Post by Бенне on Mar 2, 2015 22:39:16 GMT
Comparing a traffic offence to underage sex <<<
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Post by The Quito Diet on Mar 2, 2015 22:39:25 GMT
Depends if it was 32 in a 30.
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Post by The Quito Diet on Mar 2, 2015 22:40:01 GMT
inb4 someone steals the perfect set up for 27 in a 15
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Post by ic on Mar 2, 2015 22:40:49 GMT
Comparing a traffic offence to underage sex <<< Yes that was clearly the comparison you queg
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Post by U R GAY on Mar 2, 2015 22:46:02 GMT
It's a really difficult one age of consent, like Adam says, there needs to be one or you're opening all kinds of dangerous precedent but then there is no denying that there are some 14 year old's who are emotionally & physically ready for sex, just the same way there are some 18 year old's who are emotionally & physically not ready for sex.
Generally speaking, if I was to put an age on it I think 16 is fairly acceptable as a blanket age (no pun intended), if you take it in the broadest sense, 16 is when young people are generally exposed to alot more independence for the first time, it's usually around the time of moving off from school to higher education. I could definitely get on board with the school of thought that you need to be 18 to buy alcohol and age of consent should also be 18 but at the same time I think if there's a couple out there be they 15, 16 or 17 and they want to have sex, they're going to and changing the AOC isn't (nor should) it stop that as long as it's consensual. I think Age of Consent should be there more to protect situations like this where an older person is involved with a younger one - and for that reason, again I could also see an argument for it being 18.
An interesting example is, let's say you've got a couple of kids in the last year of school, it's December, one of them born in October and is 16, the other is born in July so is still 15. They're in the same year, they're a couple, they want to have sex, they have sex. Is that statutory rape? Is that sound practice? Does it make a difference if the 15 year old is male or the female? Is that morally right? Like I say, tough law to govern.
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Post by Kesh on Mar 2, 2015 22:55:43 GMT
It's a really difficult one age of consent, like Adam says, there needs to be one or you're opening all kinds of dangerous precedent but then there is no denying that there are some 14 year old's who are emotionally & physically ready for sex, just the same way there are some 18 year old's who are emotionally & physically not ready for sex. Generally speaking, if I was to put an age on it I think 16 is fairly acceptable as a blanket age (no pun intended), if you take it in the broadest sense, 16 is when young people are generally exposed to alot more independence for the first time, it's usually around the time of moving off from school to higher education. I could definitely get on board with the school of thought that you need to be 18 to buy alcohol and age of consent should also be 18 but at the same time I think if there's a couple out there be they 15, 16 or 17 and they want to have sex, they're going to and changing the AOC isn't (nor should) it stop that as long as it's consensual. I think Age of Consent should be there more to protect situations like this where an older person is involved with a younger one - and for that reason, again I could also see an argument for it being 18. An interesting example is, let's say you've got a couple of kids in the last year of school, it's December, one of them born in October and is 16, the other is born in July so is still 15. They're in the same year, they're a couple, they want to have sex, they have sex. Is that statutory rape? Is that sound practice? Does it make a difference if the 15 year old is male or the female? Is that morally right? Like I say, tough law to govern. Statutory rape is not a thing in English law. And in the example you've given it only becomes an issue when the older one is over 18.
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Post by The Quito Diet on Mar 2, 2015 22:58:38 GMT
On an entirely unrelated note it's funny how he's suddenly now an "England ace".
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Post by Germany's Top Scorer on Mar 3, 2015 1:08:35 GMT
Do you think the age of consent should be charged? Genuine question. Personall think it's a bit odd at how anyone who has sex with say a 15 year old is classed as a paedophile, should be hung drawn and quartered, castrate him, kill him etc... yet you could go to other parts of the world and not be committing a crime. Like, the age of consent is a legal guideline, yet it doesn't mean someone at 14 isn't 'ready and able to consent' to sexual activities nor does it mean a 16 year old automatically is. Someone who's had sex with a 14 year old isn't classed as a paedophile. /pedant
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