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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Mar 3, 2023 17:50:57 GMT
I mean I get he’s a meme but he was legitimately very good last year, in fairness Nowhere near 45m levels of good. The Giants can definitely get somewhere near his level of production at a fraction of that price elsewhere in the market, especially with Daboll and Kafka designing the offense. With the other dire needs on their team I honestly wouldn’t even think twice at that number. Worth considering:
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Post by Бенне on Mar 3, 2023 18:39:14 GMT
I mean I get he’s a meme but he was legitimately very good last year, in fairness yes of course you're correct but also, have you considered That video didn’t even load and I knew exactly which one it would be hahaha. Wheels!
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Post by Бенне on Mar 3, 2023 18:40:20 GMT
I mean I get he’s a meme but he was legitimately very good last year, in fairness Nowhere near 45m levels of good. The Giants can definitely get somewhere near his level of production at a fraction of that price elsewhere in the market, especially with Daboll and Kafka designing the offense. With the other dire needs on their team I honestly wouldn’t even think twice at that number. Worth considering: I feel like my argument here is probably similar to my Kirk Cousins one - Franchise Quarterbacks, or even the tier below, do not grow on trees. If you prove you can win regularly with a QB, especially in the Giants situation with absolutely trash receivers around him, you should try and keep him. 45m though, yes, a lot.
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Mar 3, 2023 19:12:13 GMT
I think my main issue with Jones is that I see him as a clear tier below the likes of Dak, Cousins, Tannehill and Carr, even within that QB middle class. If he was asking for 10m below what he is I’d already be feeling uneasy (and certainly not giving him anything beyond two years guaranteed).
He’s a “if the price is right” guy and the price just seems way off to me.
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Post by Paul on Mar 3, 2023 19:21:31 GMT
He’s got a 21-31-1 record as a Giant btw. Like I know for large parts of that he’s had no receivers and no Saquon but he hasn’t shown much in the way of being a QB you can win regularly with. If anything, it’s reflective of his ability that the Giants most winning seasons since he was drafted came in the years he threw the fewest number of touchdowns
If you wanted to make him your franchise QB then by all means do so but 60 touchdowns in 53 starts is not $45m worth of money, especially when nearly half of those touchdowns were as a rookie and you’ve consistently averaged less than a touchdown per game since. Even if you factor in rushing touchdowns, he’s only slightly over 1 TD per game. 22 last season just isn’t it
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Post by #FreeBTS on Mar 3, 2023 19:49:55 GMT
It's still too much (also remember it's a bargaining position), but things like winning record from a franchise who've been very poor since 2011 or career TDs thrown isn't that relevant to asking whether you should pay him. Giants can't really let him go imo, he has all the leverage and I expect him to stay, could be on the franchise tag.
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Post by Бенне on Mar 3, 2023 20:36:25 GMT
I do kinda think his “meme” status hurts him, as does (rightly) his up and down career to date, obviously, but he was legitimately very good last year. I think he’s one of a few where actually watching his play doesn’t quite tie up to the statistical production, and I think giving him at least one high end receiver next year would be really sensible
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Post by allah on Mar 5, 2023 12:54:04 GMT
Jones is what the tag was designed for. The problem is the Giants also want to tag Saquon.
A year ago it was clear that Jones was going to get a year to prove he could do it, and he like sort of maybe kind of proved it. So the best thing is to give him another year but with hopefully better receivers.
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Mar 5, 2023 21:30:10 GMT
eh?
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Post by sween on Mar 6, 2023 2:18:54 GMT
Say it aint so
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Mar 6, 2023 21:09:10 GMT
Chiefs letting their franchise left tackle hit the open market is certainly ballsy.
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Post by notpropaganda on Mar 6, 2023 23:28:43 GMT
Carr to Saints baffles me from a Saints pov, unless I’m missing something
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Mar 7, 2023 6:12:08 GMT
Carr to Saints baffles me from a Saints pov, unless I’m missing something Think they just love the rush of being hard up against the salary cap each season lol. Numbers wise I actually don’t think the deal itself is awful (especially compared to what Daniel Jones was asking for) and they can get out pretty cleanly after two years if they want iirc. It just feels like the majority of the rest of the roster is trending downwards without a huge a amount of resources to address that going into the future (which is where they’re different from someone like the Jets imo). Almost like they’re doubling down on the move up for Olave last year to try and justify it. idk if I’m being unfair Бенне.
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Post by Бенне on Mar 7, 2023 7:12:50 GMT
I don’t agree per se but it’s definitely a fair argument that our roster’s on the downturn, I do think the front office is doing what it can to address that though, and obviously we weren’t “good” last year, but we were one game out of the playoffs in a season where we left 2-3 wins on the table with sub-par QB play at a minimum. Carr’s proved he can take a team to double digit wins if you get talent around him and I think Kamara, Olave, maybe Michael Thomas if he ever plays again is a good enough situation. We also had a TON of injuries to key players last year, which you’d hope wouldn’t happen again, including Lattimore missing a lot of games, Kamara, Thomas, Penning, plenty more.
We’re not in THAT much cap trouble now tbf, if we cut Michael Thomas it gets better too, so why not at least go for it? Carr’s also not that old, and is a clear clear improvement on what we’ve got, or probably more importantly, what we’d be able to draft at #30 or whatever.
re: last year I know we had this discussion and obviously in hindsight would we like to have our first rounder this year? Yes. But Olave was a home run pick and I genuinely think he should have won OROTY so there’s definitely no feeling internally that we have to double down on that pick. Trevor Penning (the other first round pick last year) was injured a lot but when he did get on the field he was really solid too, so I think we’re generally happy with how the picks went, especially when we really needed to get younger and cheaper across the board.
That said I think the NFL network chat about it this makes us frontrunners to make the Super Bowl behind the Eagles Niners and Cowboys is overblown - we need a really good off-season around this pickup to be anywhere near that yet imo.
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Post by notpropaganda on Mar 7, 2023 8:24:07 GMT
But he had better talent at the Raiders last year? Give me the Raiders weapons over Saints last year all day. I think he’s regressing. And I don’t think the coaching fit is likely to be in his favour at NO either?
I don’t think the numbers are crazy or anything but definitely think Saints could spend those resources better elsewhere while maintaining similar/bit lower QB play.
He seems like a good personality which is a plus for the roster but I dunno, feels like a strange one to me
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