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Post by Stu on Jun 12, 2014 7:55:19 GMT
Praying this goes through.
Only the Welsh and Northern Irish to get rid of after that!
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Post by shaunie on Jun 14, 2014 11:06:26 GMT
I'm pretty sure if it goes through, it's us getting rid of you. Not the other way about.
Anyway, I'm personally still undecided. Honestly feel I could walk in on the day and change my mind. I'd say I'm swayed more towards voting yes but I'm really unsure. If anything, I'd say I've not read up about it enough yet and so wouldn't want to make what would be an uneducated vote at the minute.
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Post by Maskya Yoshida on Jun 14, 2014 11:18:13 GMT
Yeah but we don't care if you get rid of us. You're about as important to us as Wales.
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Post by Olivier on Jun 14, 2014 11:34:29 GMT
Is that why all of your politicians are fighting and lying to try and keep us in the Union, yeh?
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Post by Maskya Yoshida on Jun 14, 2014 11:43:58 GMT
Didn't realise the views of the politicians are the same as the views of the general population.
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Post by The Quito Diet on Jun 14, 2014 11:50:52 GMT
Good news is that most of those who'll vote yes will be too drunk to bother turning up to vote.
On a serious note though, the yes campaign avoiding every issue or query raised and passing it off as scaremongering is both ignorant and insulting to the Scottish people.
Not that I care either way, im still gonna claim Murray as ours.
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Post by Maskya Yoshida on Jun 14, 2014 12:09:09 GMT
Englands Brave Andy Murray
God Save The Queen
Down With The Scots
Fuck Off Mel Gibson
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notpropaganda
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Post by notpropaganda on Jun 14, 2014 12:58:20 GMT
I keep seeing people say that the Yes side are avoiding questions and putting it down to scaremongering but the only one I've aeen them avoid is the EU question which is one they can't actually answer. The EU won't address it as Scotland are not an independent state so it's actually the No side who could engage with the EU about that issue.
Plus I'd have thought if Scotland become independent then the question of whether to apply to join the EU would be another referendum anyway.
If they weren't addressing issues they wouldn't have gone from absolutely nowhere to swaying an awful lot of people. When I left Glasgow there was no way they'd vote Yes, and now? Who the fuck knows
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Post by Olivier on Jun 14, 2014 13:16:58 GMT
Good news is that most of those who'll vote yes will be too drunk to bother turning up to vote. On a serious note though, the yes campaign avoiding every issue or query raised and passing it off as scaremongering is both ignorant and insulting to the Scottish people. Not that I care either way, im still gonna claim Murray as ours. I'm not sure what issues they have avoided really. The thing with the referendum is that in the case of a Yes vote it opens up 2 years of negotiations before Independence actually becomes a reality. Those negotiations will answer a lot of the questions but they can't be answered until both sides are put in the situation of having to negotiate them. This is why the UK government publicly claims that they won't enter a currency union with Scotland, while in reality many of the people who would be involved in the decision say they would enter one. They're not going to give up a powerful negotiation tool before sitting at the table.
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Jun 14, 2014 13:17:01 GMT
If Scotland votes yes they still keep the Queen, right? Why the fuck would they want to do that?
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Post by Heung-Min Pleat on Jun 14, 2014 15:13:06 GMT
Lets be honest if we auctioned Scotland off right now we'd only get a score for it anyway, £30s tops
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Post by The Quito Diet on Jun 14, 2014 17:23:49 GMT
Off the top of my head it was when numerous companies with hq's in Scotland said they'd reconsider doing so if the country voted yes, genuine concerns were brushed off as scaremongering (think this is somethin Rowling commented on).
Also the currency issue, national security issue, basically anything I've heard that slimy scrote Salmond talk about hasn't been talking up Scotland but it's been talking down the No campaign.
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Post by notpropaganda on Jun 14, 2014 21:05:14 GMT
Off the top of my head it was when numerous companies with hq's in Scotland said they'd reconsider doing so if the country voted yes, genuine concerns were brushed off as scaremongering (think this is somethin Rowling commented on). Also the currency issue, national security issue, basically anything I've heard that slimy scrote Salmond talk about hasn't been talking up Scotland but it's been talking down the No campaign. Tbh the first part just fucks me off no end, why should that be any sort of factor in a country deciding their independence?! Ridiculous. I'm pretty sure they've stated they would want to keep sterling. Like Allah said (lol) that's something that would have to be negotiate once independence was achieved. It's not like Scotland vote yes and the next day all the mechanisms are in place for them to be independent. Don't really care if Salmond is a scrote or whatever, just haven't seen anything about the Yes campaign that you could say is avoiding questions and the like.
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Post by The Quito Diet on Jun 14, 2014 21:22:22 GMT
Off the top of my head it was when numerous companies with hq's in Scotland said they'd reconsider doing so if the country voted yes, genuine concerns were brushed off as scaremongering (think this is somethin Rowling commented on). Also the currency issue, national security issue, basically anything I've heard that slimy scrote Salmond talk about hasn't been talking up Scotland but it's been talking down the No campaign. Tbh the first part just fucks me off no end, why should that be any sort of factor in a country deciding their independence?! Ridiculous. I'm pretty sure they've stated they would want to keep sterling. Like Allah said (lol) that's something that would have to be negotiate once independence was achieved. It's not like Scotland vote yes and the next day all the mechanisms are in place for them to be independent. Don't really care if Salmond is a scrote or whatever, just haven't seen anything about the Yes campaign that you could say is avoiding questions and the like. You what? Numerous large-scale employers question if they'd remain in Scotland, of course that's a factor. Businesses are entitled to declare their interests and when several have voiced genuine concerns it's been brushed aside by the Yes campaign as scaremongering, instead of actually challening it. It's well and good saying they 'want' to keep to sterling. But they should have this all in place, again the Yes campaign is telling people to vote for them because they'll make things better, yet in reality they'll be left with negotiations upon negotiations that will ultimately dictate either way what happens. Obviously it's not going to be a next day sort of transistion, but if you're pushing the Yes campaign you should be stating what these mechanisms will be. Ragh I really don't care about this enough to go on, I just hate Salmond, hate his hypocritical attempts to deride Westminster politicians for doing exactly what he does, hate his stage-managed displays of patriotism and hate his saggy face. The British cunt.
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Post by notpropaganda on Jun 14, 2014 21:30:48 GMT
That's fine if they question it, they have self interests as employers but it shouldn't dictate a nation's sovereignty. It's what pisses me off most about the way things are, it's more important in Ireland to keep Google headquarters in Dublin than to look after our elderly etc.
Guaranteed if independence was achieved anyway the new Scottish government would find ways to attract or keep businesses in their country. I'm sure while businesses express doubts, (which of course they are because nothing is set in stone), they're not gonna up and leave as soon as a yes vote is achieved. Like everything else they'll see how it pans out. For me, it is scaremongering, it's basically saying vote No or lose your job, ridiculous.
Only thing I've actually seen from the Yes side is things could be better, that it might be better to have a government based in Edinburgh/Glasgow with the interests of Scottish people at the centre of their thinking rather than a London-centric Westminster government who, tbh, couldn't give a shit what folk are doing in Inverness or how life is there as long as their taxes fill the coffers.
Anyway. Whatever I'm Irish so it will have zero effect on me I just haven't seen an actual solid argument for Scottish people to vote No other than "Salmond is a dick" "the yes side dodge questions" or "it's easier to stay in the Union".
Not necessarily aimed at you just a general rant
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