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Dec 29, 2013 10:50:12 GMT
Post by LiamJM10 on Dec 29, 2013 10:50:12 GMT
Anyone who questions Weidman is a dick rider. He was beating Silva from the 1st round in July up until now. Can't argue with this, but both defeats were pretty freak. Silva clowning around in the first cost him big time. If that doesn't happen, Weidmann would have probably gone on to win regardless, but Silva's Silva and could have still pulled something out. Last night was just freak though. Weidmann was up anyway. Fell asleep last night, but woke up just before Rousey/Tate. Credit to Tate for lasting 3 rounds. Got some decent strikes on too, but Ronda's Judo game is just unreal. Everytime they were standing, Tate got taken down and put in danger. Would love to see Rousey up against a woman who's bigger and more powerful than her. Hard to beat Ronda if you're Tate, who's fairly similiar. How big is that Pena who won the Ultimate Fighter the other week?
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Dec 29, 2013 12:01:57 GMT
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Post by Shinra on Dec 29, 2013 12:01:57 GMT
That was just unbelievable. So sad to see him go like that, I thought Weidmann would win but I agree we'll never know for certain who would've won if that break didn't happen.
Rousey was just awesome, could tell from the start it was just gonna be a question of when will she lock on the armbar not when but Tate did well just to take it as far as she did.
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Dec 29, 2013 14:53:55 GMT
Post by jaffers on Dec 29, 2013 14:53:55 GMT
I disagree entirely. Weidman was better than Silva in every aspect in both fights. Silva showed no indication in either 1st rounds that he had anything to seriously threaten Weidman. Silva the "GOAT" striker couldn't put hands on him whereas Weidman seemed to have the head movement, footwork, technique and certainly the power to put him in all kinds of trouble. I don't even have to mention the grappling because Weidman made Silva look like an amateur anytime they touched. I also hate the whole knockout was a fluke brigade. Silva clowned about like he always has done and paid for it simple as. Weidman intentionally attempted to knock his head off at that moment which he ended up doing. No way a fluke. Chris Weidman is a better fighter than Anderson Silva AT THIS POINT OF THEIR CAREERS. People need to accept that and stop dick riding. These people would be the same ones calling Evans a fluke when he knocked out Liddell. There's no fluke or excuses. Weidman made Silva look average in both the first rounds, what did Silva do in either of those rounds to make you think he would have threatened Weidman? All he had to offer was kicks. Nothing else. It's sad that you can do what Weidman did to "the GOAT" and have people question you. Sign of where the sport is going. And for the record, people have been blocking leg kicks like that in Karate forever. That in itself is skill, not fluke. Real fight fans know Weidman was not a fluke in either fight. In other news, I just watched the press conference and holy shit, MMA "journalists" are the worst. Seems like anyone with a laptop can be a journalist. Some of the questions are pathetic. I don't think people question Weidman's ability, or his claim to the title. There's a difference in questioning what would've happened in a fight, and questioning if a fighter is just lucky to have won. Obviously the intention was in the punches in the first fight, but the aspect of luck, or if you want to call it stupidity, comes from Silva's OTT clowning around. People have commented on how even for Silva, it was stupidly over the top. That's not to say Chris couldn't have finished Silva, and won the fight without Silva costing himself essentially. It just makes people have the 'Ok, Silva's the goat so what would've happened if he'd taken a serious approach to the fight?' Which was supposed to be answered in this fight. I know about checking leg kicks, I'm not calling checking the kick lucky. Obviously that is a conscious decision. When you check a leg kick though you don't do it with the mindset or intention of 'this will break the guys leg'. You do it to stop them kicking you (which you can say it did I guess). There's an element of luck (or being unlucky if you're Silva) in the fact that Silva's leg actually broke. Again could Chris have gone on to win the fight? Of course he could. But it didn't clear up the question people wanted to get the answer of. We got part of an answer, in that we found out Weidman could cause real trouble for Silva. At the same time though we also saw that Silva could recover, and cause problems for Weidman in his guard. He cut him open, and Weidman couldn't pass, although he did land so good g&p. And yeah, MMA journalists are terrible. It's the problem with letting nearly anybody with a fight blog come to your press conferences. Edit: Weidman should beat Vitor, and if he does I'm expecting him to go on to face either Souza or Machida/Mousasi.
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Dec 29, 2013 15:16:56 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 15:16:56 GMT
Well, I personally think in 2013/14 Weidman is a better fighter than Silva and both short fights showed Weidman could do anything he wanted with Silva.
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Dec 29, 2013 15:33:12 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 15:33:12 GMT
Gutted for Miesha. Kept shooting in and looking for the clinch though, Ronda's just too good for that shit. Post match said she wanted to steer clear and bang but it didn't look like it lol. Ah well. Was a great match though. WMMA can piss off now.
Terrible for Silva. 2 and 0 though, War Weidman. First fight wasn't lucky, was more Silva being a knob. Hearing him scream was horrible though, doubt we'll see him ever again. Looked to be shaping into a great fight too. Weidman/Vitor should be good now.
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Dec 29, 2013 15:46:45 GMT
Post by jaffers on Dec 29, 2013 15:46:45 GMT
Well, I personally think in 2013/14 Weidman is a better fighter than Silva and both short fights showed Weidman could do anything he wanted with Silva. That's fair enough, I agree Weidman is growing into an absolute beast. He's a very humble guy too, which is a nice bonus. I hope Silva doesn't come back, as much as I love the guy. You have to look at it like it's a huge layoff. He wouldn't fight again until he was 40, and wont be able to train for months and months. At his age when you stop training everyday your sharpness begins to go, and you can't get it back. He'd still have the technical ability, just without the speed and accuracy. Sort of one of those after the career that he's had, is it worth coming back knowing that he'll be coming back as a lesser fighter? For me I have to say no. Huge huge blow for the UFC though, to lose GSP and Silva within the space of 2 months is just crazy. Looking forward to the return of BJ Penn though, that Dolce diet gonna save his career loool.
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Dec 29, 2013 19:03:26 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 19:03:26 GMT
Fuck, I'm looking forward to Travis Browne's next fight.
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Dec 29, 2013 20:18:14 GMT
Post by Childish on Dec 29, 2013 20:18:14 GMT
You can't say Weidman would definitely have won or not but you can say it was very impressive he managed to rock Silva and then stay his guard and not come under any danger from Anderson's BJJ. I still think Anderson could fight but he'd have to fight Vitor/Machida next and I think both men would beat him by the time he comes back. Not to mention mentally I doubt he could ever throw a leg kick again. Such a shame.
Rousey/Tate was a war. Not many other people take that beating without quitting, could tell she really really wanted to win. It was like Browne/Reem without the comeback.
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Dec 29, 2013 20:21:43 GMT
Post by LiamJM10 on Dec 29, 2013 20:21:43 GMT
Apparently Silva's only going to need 3-6 months to recover. Don't think it would be wise to return after such a horrible injury, but the time frame (or at least projected) does give him a chance for at least 1 last send off fight.
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Dec 29, 2013 20:24:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 20:24:39 GMT
He'll still need to have a long camp to get back in the swing of things, not sure if he/his body is up for it. Hope so though. Vitor/Silva could be madness in Brazil.
lmao @ Ronda walking out with 250k. Jesus.
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Dec 29, 2013 21:14:03 GMT
Post by jaffers on Dec 29, 2013 21:14:03 GMT
Apparently Silva's only going to need 3-6 months to recover. Don't think it would be wise to return after such a horrible injury, but the time frame (or at least projected) does give him a chance for at least 1 last send off fight. Recovery times are deceptive, right now it's 3-6 months until the bone is fully intact again and the fractures have all healed. So you're probably looking at the 2-3 month mark before he even starts doing light physio. I read an article too, and with surgical pins apparently they advise people who are involved in contact sport to have them removed because they can lead to hairline fractures. That of course wouldn't be done until the leg is healed, so you could look at 3-6 months for the initial injury, then 2-5 months after the pin has been removed (the reason the lay off from having a pin removed for so long, is because the bone needs to fill the hole where the screws were). So at best, if his super human abilities carry over to his healing then he could be training again in 5-6 months. Two worse case scenarios are 1) 11-12 months until he can train again. 2) Complications take the decision out of his hand entirely. As for who he would face, tough question to answer. People like Vitor/Machida are title contenders, and it's a question of do you want somebody who is probably out of the title picture permanently facing off against them? I mean the Machida fight would never happen because the two are like brothers. I think if, and it's a big if, he does come back then you'll see him facing the likes of Bisping, perhaps even a couple of fights at LHW. It'd be more for exhibition rather than for actual competitiveness.
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Dec 29, 2013 21:39:13 GMT
Post by LiamJM10 on Dec 29, 2013 21:39:13 GMT
Apparently Silva's only going to need 3-6 months to recover. Don't think it would be wise to return after such a horrible injury, but the time frame (or at least projected) does give him a chance for at least 1 last send off fight. Recovery times are deceptive, right now it's 3-6 months until the bone is fully intact again and the fractures have all healed. So you're probably looking at the 2-3 month mark before he even starts doing light physio. I read an article too, and with surgical pins apparently they advise people who are involved in contact sport to have them removed because they can lead to hairline fractures. That of course wouldn't be done until the leg is healed, so you could look at 3-6 months for the initial injury, then 2-5 months after the pin has been removed (the reason the lay off from having a pin removed for so long, is because the bone needs to fill the hole where the screws were). So at best, if his super human abilities carry over to his healing then he could be training again in 5-6 months. Two worse case scenarios are 1) 11-12 months until he can train again. 2) Complications take the decision out of his hand entirely. As for who he would face, tough question to answer. People like Vitor/Machida are title contenders, and it's a question of do you want somebody who is probably out of the title picture permanently facing off against them? I mean the Machida fight would never happen because the two are like brothers. I think if, and it's a big if, he does come back then you'll see him facing the likes of Bisping, perhaps even a couple of fights at LHW. It'd be more for exhibition rather than for actual competitiveness. Oh, God. I wasn't suggesting he'd be back haha. I know full well it'd be the best part of a year plus before he'd be anywhere near healthy, let alone fight ready. It'd be nice for him to come back, but a break like that doesn't bode well. Especially for someone who kicks as frequent as he does. Definitely feel it'd lean towards exhibition fights, rather than ones building towards a title shot. He'll be 39/40 by the time he'll be back, if he gets there. Rousey v McMann booked for 170.
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Dec 29, 2013 21:40:23 GMT
Post by jaffers on Dec 29, 2013 21:40:23 GMT
Maybe he'll finally get his boxing match with Roy Jones Jr.
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Dec 29, 2013 21:41:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 21:41:43 GMT
Apparently according to Helwani, Roy has asked about fighting Nick Diaz. LOL.
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Dec 29, 2013 21:44:52 GMT
Post by jaffers on Dec 29, 2013 21:44:52 GMT
Roy is so desperate to get a big fight loool
Machida gonna be Silva 2.0 bros. He'll beat Mousasi in Feb, then face the winner of Belfort/Weidman and become the new MW Champ.
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