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Post by #FreeBTS on Jan 15, 2016 0:59:05 GMT
new 'who do you want to punch most?' poll needed soon
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Post by Star of Spurs on Jan 15, 2016 1:02:23 GMT
he looks like a combination of william h macy and that dude who worked for sky sports news shouting at harry redknapp on deadline day
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Post by MrAndyJay on Jan 15, 2016 23:08:49 GMT
Finished it there today.
All very messed up stuff indeed. Strictly from the show itself I found it hard to believe that Steven did it. Apparently there are things that arent in the documentary which make the case against him a bit stronger, but not conclusively. The strangest thing has to be his constant proclamations of innocence over the attack he spent 18 years in prison for and he always said if he did it he'd admit it. Now, in a state where you have to admit guilt to ever have a shot at parole, it would be easier to say you did it and get paroled, but he, once again, is adamant. The "West Memphis 3" had to "admit" guilt to get paroled even though it's really, really obvious they didnt do it.
The fact that he may well have got $36 million dollars from the county and those other bell ends combined is motive enough for me to say that the police manipulated the case. The deposition footage is of a bunch of people in fear of their reputations, careers, their bank accounts etc. etc. and you can see then squirming and wishing it wasnt happening, Lenk and Colborn especially so. Now, these two would have been hung out to dry had the Civil Case gone forward and I remember my jaw dropping and saying "what the actual fuck?" when they revealed that it was those two that found the key.... three days into the search of a caravan. I mean fucking hell, that has to be a joke right? Also, none of Teresas DNA on the key? Oooooooooooo.... Kay? The radio call Colborn makes regarding the license plate has to be the most damning bit of evidence heard in the courtroom, that was just unbelievable. What really got in my craw about Colborn was that he was one of the escorts Steven and Brendan had at their trials. Surely that guy should have been sent elsewhere by the court as he was a fucking witness. A joke that is, a real joke.
It was no wonder all of his appeals were rejected by the courts because the $36m would be a drop in the ocean compared to what he'd get clearing a murder charge.
Regarding Brendan, everything about it was just upsetting to watch and stirred up memories I'd rather forget. To cover it quickly, when I was a teenager I did some stupid stuff and got brought in by the police, after we talked about the dumb shit I'd done which I fully admitted to they started trying to get me to admit to doing other shit that was way worse and could have landed me in a young offenders institute. The tactics were the same: "we know what happened, we just need you to say it", "come on now, we know you were there" etc. etc. I, and just about everybody in school, knew who'd done 90% of the things they accused me of, but like the cops in the documentary they thought they had their culprit and were happy to send me up the river. Lucky for me I had the presence of mind to alibi myself and ask for a lawyer when they pushed too far. Brendan did not have a chance. His clear learning difficulties made him an easy target for the detectives and their plan (made more obvious by his dirtbag lawyer, utter cuntbag who was on the take) was to make Brendan a weapon against Steven and have him cut a deal to serve only a few years. When that went to shit and the lawyer was sacked off, the prosecutors knew they had to bury him, and they did.
Brendan suffered the same fate as Jessie Miskelley did in the WM3 trial. He was less intelligent and his "confession" is almost as believable as Brendans. Unlike Steven, it's not that I find it hard to believe that he didnt do it, I think it's just obvious that Brendan didnt do anything.
My thoughts as to who did it are split, but in both scenarios I've decided on I think the cops turned the investigation towards Steven and made it stick.
The Ex-boyfriend and the Roommate are both possibilities that were seemingly not asked much by the cops, nor was the brother himself. If anything, in this scenario my thoughts would be that the brother knows who did it or he was involved somehow, but he didn't kill her himself.
However, I think the real suspects are Scott and Bobby. Two men with basically the exact same time frame for their story of what happened. They both "went hunting". They alibi each other by saying they passed on a road (how the cops etc. can call that an alibi is beyond me) They had no problem going into court and pointing the finger. And lets be honest, and slanderous, they look like a pair of murderers.
It's happened before and will happen again. Hopefully somehow Brendan can get out of jail before he's an old man.
8/10 would recommend.
If anybody knows who the "International Recording Artist" was in Avery's jury was I'd love to know, ta.
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Post by Germany's Top Scorer on Jan 16, 2016 12:22:32 GMT
g7vikings can we add Steven's "girlfriend" from the last episode please? Who the fuck starts dating someone in prison. Also just noticed this but Ken Kratz sounds like he's got undescended testes. Paul Bearer tbh Based on the documentary I think it's extremely difficult to say he did it, let alone beyond reasonable doubt. Judge looked like he'd made his mind up at the start as well, and with what jurors have said (not just the one in the last 2 episodes), there was a lot of coercion to vote guilty. Doesn't seem like a fair investigation, doesn't seem like a fair trial. Feel the most for Brendan, kid got fucked over by his scumbag Lionel Hutz-like attorney (massive foreshadowing to this was him banging on about it being good for his career) and those utter fucking cunt investigators taking advantage of his intellectual incapabilities.
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Post by Star of Spurs on Jan 16, 2016 13:05:15 GMT
the end of episode 5 made me legit shout "HOLY SHIT" at 1am. onto episode 7. why do i get the feeling this doesn't have a happy ending
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2016 18:23:39 GMT
Anyone seen the advert for that Boom Beach mobile game? I swear Ken Kratz does the voice for that.
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Post by Germany's Top Scorer on Jan 16, 2016 20:14:30 GMT
So Kratz has gone from looking like Paul Bearer to looking like noted sex offender Rolf Harris.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2016 20:59:55 GMT
even better is that he looks like noted sex offended Ken Kratz
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Post by Star of Spurs on Jan 17, 2016 1:19:53 GMT
finished episode 8. did kratz have to apologize or anything for the press conference that turned out to be 100% bullshit or is that allowed
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Post by Star of Spurs on Jan 18, 2016 11:49:47 GMT
yup finished it
dassey breaks my heart, the kid clearly didn't do it, hell even kratz (fucking scumbag that he is) admits in his closing statement against avery that it was "one man"...and then sends down dassey too? the fact that the way they get him to "admit" guilt is by saying they'll tell his mum...god. the bit where he's talking to his mum about how he doesn't know what 'inconsistent' means is harrowing, this is a kid who's in so far over his head and he hasn't done anything to deserve it
don't know who did it and feel horribly bad for teresa who's had her death turn into a media circus, but i cannot see how anyone can look at the evidence (including the stuff left out which still doesn't obviously indicate avery) and conclude these two did it with enough certainty to take their lives away. "reasonable doubts are for innocent people", fuck you kratz, that "swimming upstream" argument strang made (shoutout to him & buting for being great lawyers) encapsulated everything wrong with the state, they didn't see this as a trial to allow the jury to decide, they saw the trial as a potential roadblock between avery being free and avery being where they thought he belonged
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Feb 23, 2016 20:36:13 GMT
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Post by g7vikings on Aug 12, 2016 20:34:44 GMT
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Post by sween on Aug 12, 2016 20:36:29 GMT
fucking hell it only took 10 years of his life for someone to see sense
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Aug 12, 2016 22:25:36 GMT
Inb4 he's back in next week.
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Post by Germany's Top Scorer on Aug 19, 2016 23:42:02 GMT
Possibly massive implications on that... If the suggestion the confession was coerced (as the video literally shows) then a massive part of evidence implicating Avery is inadmissible.
I dunno what the laws are in Wisconsin but reasonably that should mean a retrial. Though with the success of the series and the subsequent publicity, it's unlikely to get an impartial jury (might just balance the biased one original trial had) so fuck knows who the jury could be... maybe the backwards parts of the state. Defense attorney mentions guns, good old JR and the American Dream and Avery's out of there. Easy peasy.
That's assuming they have reasonable laws.
If it's a retrial it's gotta be exoneration - his original conviction was dodgy as fuck, take argubly the strongest evidence away and surely no reasonable person can say he's guilty (admittedly biased because the documentary was always slanted towards Avery.)
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