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Post by allah on Dec 16, 2013 2:35:23 GMT
It depends, if it's a straight forward 'You got raped, that's funny' then it's a shitty thing to do. But if you, for whatever reason, told a rape joke about two inanimate objects, then it's not really offencive. It's all about context with those sort of things. Tbf, yeah I moreso mean the first type. I'm not saying the word rape should never be used unless you know the personal histories of everyone you're talking to, just that caution should at least be shown.
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Post by notpropaganda on Dec 16, 2013 3:56:11 GMT
Yeah I mean it's good to be sensitive to people and things but you're not gonna know the personal history of every person you speak to. I remember getting upset when I was drinkjng with people and a guy said something along the lines of "the fella should just kill himself" and it wasn't long after a mate of mine had committed suicide. I didn't confront him or anything about it because he didn't know, but there are too many people who would flip at that.
I get seriously annoyed at militant non-smokers.
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Post by hazzy on Dec 16, 2013 4:19:47 GMT
Mmm, missed the Kanye discussion.
The way I see it, Kanye's passion has diarrhea. It's the best way to put it. It's flowing, it's all over the place but it's potent as all hell. I will say his level of passion is commendable.. on the other hand, the problem is not only his ego, but where his ego has led him.
I also think he will be remembered in time. To be honest, he has a safe net because even if he fails doing his game-changing desires, or so he says, people will remember him for his music and his arrogance which, when you think about it, isn't a bad trade. Oh and marrying the biggest hoe-ass trick in Hollywood.
But back to my point about his ego, his self-absorbedness has led him to knock on doors that were too big for him. Everything he's wanted to do, I feel he hasn't gone at it at the right pace. Instead of reaching out to gateway brands where he could exerce his name over the market, he goes for the heavyweights, in the end half of them don't even give him the time of day and he supposedly got lowballed by Nike...
I actually get the changes Kanye is trying to do to the industry, and I respect him on that alone. Everything else, like I said it comes back to the diarrhea aspect, and there's just a lotta times where he needs to shut it. In the same vein, I think he's pulling a Miley Cyrus in a different way. A lot of people say at one point he's gonna get blackballed but that's just it, it seems like at this point he can't be blackballed - he has the media juggling in his hands, he can say whatever he wants to make headlines, and interviewers/broadcasters are probably pushing in line to get ahold of him.. vicious cycle, with a capital V
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Post by Ryan on Dec 16, 2013 12:53:22 GMT
Will never judge Kanye on his life outside music cause that's his business and we have no idea of the full story.
Will judge him on his music though. Everything except Yeezus and possibly MBDTF were great. New Kanye is shit but maybe that's cause old. Kanye was so good.
One thing I wanna know is why Jay-Z is considered one of the best rappers of all time. A few of his songs are good but his music has never interested me tbh.
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Post by Alex07 on Dec 16, 2013 14:25:29 GMT
Everything EXCEPT MBDTF was great?
Son...
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Post by Gianni Infantino on Dec 16, 2013 16:02:51 GMT
How can you not say MBDTF is great? One of the best albums of last decade. Fucking hell.
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Post by Cashis on Dec 16, 2013 16:08:01 GMT
Opinions and all that but it is a brilliant album.
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Post by g7vikings on Dec 16, 2013 16:17:40 GMT
Not sure I've heard this album you speak of. His first two albums were exceptional. Completely lost me when he done 808 but I liked his stuff with Jay-Z. Just googled that album and I've never even heard of it haha Don't know where I've been.
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Post by Cashis on Dec 16, 2013 17:22:23 GMT
I think a lot of what gets classed as victim blaming is actually unfairly done as such. In certain instances its actually possible to have made a poor choice regarding your personal safety whilst still placing the blame solely on the attacker.
I wouldn't walk down certain areas or alleyways round here at night as I know there's scum around with knives. It wouldn't be my fault if I got attacked for walking down there, but I can decrease the chance of if happening by not doing it.
i don't think suggesting somebody shouldn't get black out drunk (clothing isn't an issue to me) in case something were to happen is victim blaming at all, its a precaution the same as people take in other parts of their life. You're not at fault for the incident itself you did increase the chances of it happening to you.
Obviously this refers to random attacks etc...and not commenting on specific cases.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 17:31:39 GMT
Yeah I mean it's good to be sensitive to people and things but you're not gonna know the personal history of every person you speak to. I remember getting upset when I was drinkjng with people and a guy said something along the lines of "the fella should just kill himself" and it wasn't long after a mate of mine had committed suicide. I didn't confront him or anything about it because he didn't know, but there are too many people who would flip at that. I get seriously annoyed at militant non-smokers. That was an awful thing for that bloke to say. I'd have thought that'd offend 90% of people, even if said jokingly.
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Post by notpropaganda on Dec 16, 2013 18:35:37 GMT
The way I wrote it sounds worse than it was tbf, if I hadn't just gone through what I had I probably wouldn't even have remembered him saying it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 19:03:33 GMT
Don't know if it's controversial on this forum, but when i always say that American/British soldiers shouldn't be called heroes, people react in a 'you shouldn't say that' kinda way. I personally don't think it's remotely controversial, but skeen.
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Post by Cashis on Dec 16, 2013 19:26:49 GMT
Modern soldiers aren't heroes just for being soldiers, you get the odd example of those who go above and beyond the cal of service but aye, don't you dare say that near the full time mummy brigade
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Post by Shinra on Dec 16, 2013 21:25:49 GMT
Judging from the banter thread this'll be controversial. I like soccer am and think its funny (most of it anyway)
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Post by Maskya Yoshida on Dec 16, 2013 23:03:58 GMT
Modern soldiers aren't heroes just for being soldiers, you get the odd example of those who go above and beyond the cal of service but aye, don't you dare say that near the full time mummy brigade Whilst there's a percentage of modern day soldiers who join the army 'cause they want to 'shoot a towel head' and have uninformed or incorrect opinions on the middle east and people who are Muslim you can't really say that in the media. If anyone did it's professional suicide, whilst we've changed as a nation we're still seemingly biasedly patriotic as a whole, and that includes the people who're part of the military. They are put on a pedestal though, be that rightly or wrongly. I wouldn't want to do their job though so more power for them for saving us the risk of being enlisted.
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