Hogan
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Post by Hogan on Jan 20, 2014 11:38:40 GMT
And the fact liverpool have a new keeper and two centre halves. Then the rest of the defence dying, it does make a hell of a difference.
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Blue Moon
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Post by Blue Moon on Jan 20, 2014 11:39:52 GMT
A settled back 4 is probably the single most important thing to have in this league, our good form coincided with getting the same back 5 out consistently, same with Southampton iirc. Conversely, Man United and Spurs have been chopping and changing a fair bit haven't they?
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Post by Hogan on Jan 20, 2014 11:41:20 GMT
Forgot to mention aly lul but he doesn't count
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Post by ChappyHova on Jan 20, 2014 11:44:35 GMT
@johnny Jack Wilshere has more England caps than G Neville, P Neville, Scholes and Beckham did combined at the same age.
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Post by Gianni Infantino on Jan 20, 2014 11:47:25 GMT
Playing devil's advocate here, could say the quality of the England team isn't what it was while those lot were making their way up. Tom Cleverley man.
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Post by ChappyHova on Jan 20, 2014 11:49:38 GMT
I was kinda playing devil's advocate too, you could argue a lot of things in this case. No one would really be right.
You could argue if Arsenal's kids were surrounded by Schemeichel, Irwin, Pallister, Bruce, Keane, Cantona etc then they would win the double too.
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Post by Gianni Infantino on Jan 20, 2014 11:56:42 GMT
Good point haha
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Post by g7vikings on Jan 20, 2014 11:59:13 GMT
I agree having a settled back 4 has helped Arsenal, but it's just their consistency in general. While everyone else is in varying stages of new dawns, Arsenal are as settled as they have been for years.
I still can't get over Villa and how much of a moron Rodgers was.
What the fuck is Cissoko. He's fucking dreadful, doesn't have one single redeeming quality. At least Enrique can run in straight lines, is strong and occasionally able to find a red shirt. What was the transfer committee looking at when they decided this was the left back for us. I know our first choice target fell down, but Cissoko can't be our 2nd, 3rd, 4th or any choice target. Simply not good enough.
And I'm not scapegoating either, the rest of the back 5 and Gerrard protecting and Rodgers allowing it all to happen was just fucking shite. Glen Johnson, what's happened to you?
Can't see how we beat Everton or Arsenal. Makes WBA in between huge and 4th miles away.
It's the hope that kills you.
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Post by Blue Moon on Jan 20, 2014 12:00:08 GMT
You always beat the teams in the bottom half though!
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Post by g7vikings on Jan 20, 2014 12:00:50 GMT
Not with that back 5.
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Post by ChappyHova on Jan 20, 2014 12:01:57 GMT
You would have thought Llori would have had a go, Kolo looks like when my dad still tries to play footy.
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Post by g7vikings on Jan 20, 2014 12:04:37 GMT
Ilori has gone on loan to Granada for the rest of the season now.
And fucking Kolo too. Ah fuck. This Monday is more depressing than the Monday after we beat Spurs was brilliant.
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Post by Blue Moon on Jan 20, 2014 12:05:33 GMT
They all looked fucking terrified on the ball on Saturday, which you'd think odd for a Rodgers side.
I do reckon you're overreacting a bit though, Rodgers got his team selection completely wrong and I can't see him trying that again in a hurry. Still be there or thereabouts in a month or two.
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Post by Jmste on Jan 20, 2014 12:06:39 GMT
not sure about united but we have had injurys in defence, pretty sure chelsea chopped and changed at the start of the season too
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Post by Gianni Infantino on Jan 20, 2014 12:13:20 GMT
Joe Allen has to be that anchor now which just isn't his strength at all. We can't have Gerrard there, he just looked beyond how bad he's been this season. Defence is nothing without Sakho tbh which just reminds me of how bad we were defensively last year. We need a few clean sheets, don't know when they're going to happen but we do need them. Defence needs another big overhaul in the summer though. We need new full backs, a new centre half (or like Chappy said, give Ilori a go) and let Sakho be the main man in defence. Right now it's Skrtel who is always prone to a mistake.
It was stupid by Rodgers. It was naive more than anything to think that we could set up like that and just look to outscore Villa, who'd just been narrowly beaten by the best team in the league. Young manager and all that, he knows what his best 11 is, stick to it.
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