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Post by Gianni Infantino on Feb 3, 2014 17:01:32 GMT
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Post by Star of Spurs on Feb 3, 2014 17:06:55 GMT
psg want lloris
psg will sign lloris for £40m
we will spend that money on three macedonians, jose reyes & mark schwarzer
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 17:47:08 GMT
Cannot sell Lloris at any price
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Post by Star of Spurs on Feb 3, 2014 17:51:08 GMT
lol daniel won't care, he can stick it in the "stadium fund"
we'll sell him and tim'll buy fraser forster i bet you anything
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 17:51:53 GMT
Anderson and Nani can fuck off and take Valencia, Young and Evra with them.
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Post by Star of Spurs on Feb 3, 2014 17:54:24 GMT
the only thing anderson did wrong was bringing nani into it
i really do wonder how long united are going to stick this out, i mean if they sack him now they'll be called out on it so i wonder if they'll wait for him to secure 7th place before doing the inevitable (by which time their investment has disintegrated before their eyes)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 18:09:40 GMT
Moyes will be given until at least the end of next season, anyone who thinks he should be sacked now is a fucking idiot.
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Post by Star of Spurs on Feb 3, 2014 18:11:34 GMT
really?
because i'd say it's a perfectly valid thing to think after 6 losses in 8 in 2014
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Post by Gianni Infantino on Feb 3, 2014 18:12:55 GMT
Better managers have been sacked for less.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 18:15:35 GMT
it's all well and good giving managers a chance but how long do you wait until the rot sets in. Moyes has turned a Championship winning team into a midtable team in the space of 6 months, it's not that idiotic to want him sacked.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2014 18:17:43 GMT
It's not valid at all, if we sack him now who would we get in? We'd have to pay him a massive amount of compensation and it would lead to a manergerial merry-go-round like at Chelsea. He needs to be given time to get it right, the squad he inherited isn't good enough without a major changes and needs massive investment if we are still shit at this time next season it might be time to consider his position.
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Post by Mycon on Feb 3, 2014 19:20:44 GMT
As Steven said, like the best players not being available until the end of the season, neither are the best managers going to be available.
I'm happy enough to stick it out with Moyes until the end of the season at least and see what the plan is for the summer. I am still optimistic about the potential of Mata, Rooney and Van Persie together until the end of the season. At the moment, I still think we'll finish at least 5th. Liverpool are definite favourites for 4th place at the minute but you never know. Obviously have to improve but I expect us to do so. Some of these players really can't be as bad as they are playing.
I also wouldn't be against Cleverley and Valencia not playing until the end of the year. They're not bad players but they're just in absolutely shocking form. I don't think I've ever seen Cleverley play worse than the past two months.
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Post by Star of Spurs on Feb 3, 2014 19:21:21 GMT
It's not valid at all, if we sack him now who would we get in? We'd have to pay him a massive amount of compensation and it would lead to a manergerial merry-go-round like at Chelsea. He needs to be given time to get it right, the squad he inherited isn't good enough without a major changes and needs massive investment if we are still shit at this time next season it might be time to consider his position. well first of all the fact that you could never get in anyone in is a bad first reason, it's almost admitting defeat. you're still manchester united, 99% of managers would abase themselves for the role. yes, you might end up like chelsea - or you could hire a manager who's great and sticks around for years, it's impossible to tell i understand that moyes is having to takeover a reign almost unprecedented. i understand that the squad he was left wasn't great. i understand woodward didn't do well in the summer. however, you've still lost 6 in your last 8. you're still 7th, you're still out of both cups, you've barely played well all season (not including against teams that rhyme with shmayer shmeverkusen) and you were tactically undone by mark fucking hughes on saturday. 2-1 losses to stoke, swansea, sunderland, a problematic spurs side, back to back home defeats against everton & newcastle where you barely put up a fight, these are things a relegation threatened team would find concerning, let alone arguably the biggest team in the world i understand your want for security but to me, moyes is giving you the opposite. the name of manchester united is disintegrating - not irreparably, but massively - you're becoming mortal, a side for the taking, a team that's losing ground on rivals you cannot afford to lose ground on. those players you need desperately? they won't go to a europa league side, and that's if you get into europe at all. yes, he might turn it around, yes he's had it stacked against him, but that's no excuse - you are still the champions, you are still better than prehistoric 4-4-2 long balls, you're still better than this, and i really do wonder if the glazers are going to stick with the belief it'll get better (based on absolutely nothing other than hope) or try to salvage their product before things get any worse
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Post by Mycon on Feb 3, 2014 19:46:19 GMT
That's way too doomsday of a scenario that you are depicting. I listened and read different people tell me that Mata would not sign for United based on how they are doing now and then he went ahead and signed. There have been lots of rebuilding stories from Bayern Munich to Juventus, it's going to take a while, I don't think anyone expects us to be at the very top for a while.
Anyway the quality of the football isn't all that different to how Ferguson's teams played for a good three years. I think that's why a lot of United fans do have patience because we've watched every game in the past while and the differences have been very small between the two managers's style of play. Simple fact that we were lucky this season and have been unlucky last season. It's far from the complete picture but a lot of people put and 2 and 2 together whenever they see a dour Scotsman, United not winning and attribute it to that 'prehistoric 4-4-2 long ball'. If anything I am more concerned about the defensive organisation which has been really lacking at times this season. Hardly anyone has played well anywhere across the board.
4-4-2 isn't prehistoric either, it just depends on your personnel and we don't have the right personnel in the midfield area at all. City is 4-4-2 and they're winning the league.
We're not a long ball team now either. If anything the likes of Cleverley should be playing more long balls forward rather than passing it sideways aimlessly. Or Valencia's classic 'I'm gonna look like I'm going to do something but then pass it back to midfield'. It's also clear from Mata that he is looking at moving away from the rigid winger.
fwiw, I agree that Moyes hasn't done the best job so far. If he was sacked tomorrow, I don't know how I'd feel. But if he isn't sacked, I'm not unhappy either. We like continuity. Whether that proves to be our long-term downfall remains to be seen.
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Post by LiamJM10 on Feb 3, 2014 19:59:52 GMT
it's all well and good giving managers a chance but how long do you wait until the rot sets in. Moyes has turned a Championship winning team into a midtable team in the space of 6 months, it's not that idiotic to want him sacked. Midtables a bit harsh. Whoever finishes 7th this season will have a squad worthy of challenging for 4th. Whether that be Liverpool, Everton, Spurs or United. Ferguson reaped that squad of all it's potential, Moyes can't do that, he was dealt a poor hand (in terms of being higher up) before he'd even joined in reality. Moyes shouldn't be sacked. They need improvements in the summer, midfield and defence especially, but providing they buy the right players, they should theoretically be up there again next season. Their front three is to be feared and the likes of Rafael, De Gea, Carrick, Januzaj in particular are all more than good enough to provide as useful. A lot of underperforming/poor players currently in their first team, though. What's happened with Fellaini too? Everton's Fellaini and Carrick would have been pretty good imo.
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