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Post by Jmste on Feb 6, 2014 11:02:07 GMT
took a while for modric to adapt over here tho, thing is that he was starting games in which lamela isnt, he will never get used to it over here sitting on the bench (although he has been injured lately)
lennon and townsend imo arnt very good players, especially the latter, id say both are average at best, both are nowhere near consistent enough to be considered very good
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Post by FL on Feb 6, 2014 12:19:29 GMT
Townsend strikes me as one of these homegrown players who people perceive to be a better than they are because we're struggling to produce quality players. Still got a long, long way to go before being a quality player.
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Post by Stu on Feb 6, 2014 12:23:19 GMT
Those 2 England performances have put everyone into overdrive about him.
Since then he's done nothing cos teams know what he'll do now. Needs to add a lot more variety to his game beforw he's considered quality.
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Post by Star of Spurs on Feb 6, 2014 12:23:49 GMT
townsend will be a great player if we let him grow, right now he's in that awkward space all england youngsters go through where you can never properly ascertain how good they are because everyone's desperate to call them overrated or underrated
what he is is a smart footballer, with the capability of making something from nothing, but he's not anywhere near bale's class which is what we were asking him to be at the start of the season. in a few years he'll be very very good, he's made a name for himself here and so long as there's no major stalling in his development he should be a regular for us and england for years to come which'd be fantastic to see, it sounds very white van man-y but it really would be fantastic if a starter for us had grown up around the club and genuinely supports us
as for lennon, i'm still of the mindset he looks far more threatening than he actually is. his connection with walker is very good though, that's the main thing we miss when lamela's in for him
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Post by Heung-Min Pleat on Feb 6, 2014 13:49:45 GMT
Are Lennon and Townsend really 'very good players'? I'm not sure many people would agree with that. very good players for their position for their clubs so yeah both have faults but if they arent good or very good players then what hope do 95 percent of players have
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Post by Heung-Min Pleat on Feb 6, 2014 13:53:04 GMT
Those 2 England performances have put everyone into overdrive about him. Since then he's done nothing cos teams know what he'll do now. Needs to add a lot more variety to his game beforw he's considered quality. Even when townsends npt played well for us hes been doubled on, the threat is clearly there, problem has been using the extra space made when townsends running.with the ball far off the finished article but hes only been a prem player for a year, for wveryone whos been quick to sing his praises theres anothwr saying hes a nothing player whos had 2 or 3 good games in his career
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Post by constant on Feb 6, 2014 17:05:25 GMT
Wouldn't say that Townsend is "smart" but he certainly is dangerous and commands respect out wide. What he struggles with is turning that threat into anything even remotely resembling a finished product other than "cut inside, shoot into stands".
If he learns how to bring his teammates into play better then he has a chance of turning into a very useful winger along the lines of Walcott, if he doesn't then he is probably more Nathan Dyer.
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Post by Gianni Infantino on Feb 6, 2014 17:07:25 GMT
Aye the way he plays seems to be the exact opposite of smart. Not always a bad thing for a player to not be that smart but he can't do anything other than cut inside and smash it really.
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Post by LiamJM10 on Feb 6, 2014 17:32:44 GMT
Calling Lamela a flop is extremely harsh. Started 2/3 league games all season due to no fault of his own. Not his fault that AVB simply refused to play him and that he's been injured since Sherwood's came in and we've started to actually play attacking. Said it at the start of the season that it will take at least a season before we see anything even resembling his form at Roma, but the pricetag clouds logical reasoning and too much is expected instantaneously. Understandable, but harsh, nonetheless. A disappointment, yes, I've been disappointed myself, but to call a 21 year old who hasn't been given a proper chance yet, a flop? After 6 months? Triggers already been pulled back. oooh a disappointment but not a flop ChappyHova loves these semantics debates iirc Well there's a difference between the two. If Lamela had actually played, and played poorly, then yes, he'd be a flop. How can you call someone a flop when they've not played enough to even be judged yet? lol. I'm more disappointed with his lack of game time, than his performances. Same goes for Townsend in truth. There are people hyping up highly, and then others shooting him back down. He's genuinely at the middle ground where he's raw, but has a lot of potential.
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Post by Bollozczkowski on Feb 6, 2014 18:11:56 GMT
Literally everyone has said so far though, you're acting like everyone's written him off when they haven't. Disappointment, flop, whatever, splitting hairs aside he's clearly been massively underwhelming so far.
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Post by Star of Spurs on Feb 6, 2014 18:34:58 GMT
was outstanding against sheriff, like actually outstanding-outstanding not just outstanding-because-it's-sheriff
but then andre didn't play him against newcastle which was comfortably the silliest decision he made in charge
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Post by Stu on Feb 6, 2014 18:37:37 GMT
That's the main problem, every time he has had a good appearance in Europe he either finds himself on the bench at the weekend or not in the squad at all.
He's never going to settle in or get used to the pace of English football if he gets 15 minutes at the end of a match, every 3/4 weeks.
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Post by Bollozczkowski on Feb 6, 2014 19:11:55 GMT
I don't think you can be outstanding against Sheriff without taking into account that it's Sheriff I'm afraid. Better than nothing obviously, but it's still Sheriff. I think he might just be better off for having avoided being in the whole mess that is basically your season so far anyway, still relatively untainted.
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Post by Star of Spurs on Feb 7, 2014 10:57:04 GMT
I don't think you can be outstanding against Sheriff without taking into account that it's Sheriff I'm afraid. Better than nothing obviously, but it's still Sheriff. I think he might just be better off for having avoided being in the whole mess that is basically your season so far anyway, still relatively untainted. true i mostly just wanted to post this gif again i really hope he settles next year under a competent manager who doesn't have massive problems with the hierarchy. chance'd be a fine thing
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Post by Matt on Feb 7, 2014 11:01:06 GMT
Surely there's a reason for him not playing though? I.e. that he's not playing well enough in training? I've heard of players who just don't train well, but turn it on when in actual competition, but the fact that Lamela just isn't ever used at this point must suggest that the people who see him week in week out training don't think he's good enough.
People always just seem to assume an ulterior motive to a manager not playing someone, when they and their team are the ones who actually have a ton more information to work off rather than 'that one barely competitive match he played where he showed he was top class'
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