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Post by Cashis on May 9, 2014 8:45:50 GMT
Does Mike sum up the average top 4 wanker? Like, if you could put all the best wanker bits of a top 4 premiership club supporting fan would you end up with Mike? Name on back of shirt wanker to boot. Tragic. Calm it down, bro. If we're being honest the only people who really care about this are those who support teams in leagues one and two. Why would a Chelsea, United, City or Arsenal fan particularly care what happens? It doesn't affect them or their club. Like I said I don't agree with it but if it was to go ahead I wouldn't be bothered. Aye Mike its not like you can look through this topic and see multiple people who support teams in the Premiership, including the top teams, ridiculing this idea. Its not like the media, known for lapping up to the big boys, is roundly mocking the suggestions either. Typical attitude for a Chelsea fan to have though. Why should you care about hundreds of years of history lul?
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Post by Cashis on May 9, 2014 8:52:26 GMT
Does Mike sum up the average top 4 wanker? Like, if you could put all the best wanker bits of a top 4 premiership club supporting fan would you end up with Mike? Name on back of shirt wanker to boot. Tragic. Calm it down, bro. If we're being honest the only people who really care about this are those who support teams in leagues one and two. Why would a Chelsea, United, City or Arsenal fan particularly care what happens? It doesn't affect them or their club. Like I said I don't agree with it but if it was to go ahead I wouldn't be that bothered. Read through this thread to see the multitude of people who do care who most likely have no interest in the lower leagues and as djed said, look at all the high profile pundits/journalists/people on the radio who are rallying against this bullshit. "If we're being honest" you chat complete and utter shit. I'm not one to gun for you and I don't have a problem with you but you're reaching interesting new levels of bollocks by the day at the minute.
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Post by Cashis on May 9, 2014 9:03:25 GMT
Aye Mike its not like you can look through this topic and see multiple people who support teams in the Premiership, including the top teams, ridiculing this idea. Its not like the media, known for lapping up to the big boys, is roundly mocking the suggestions either. Typical attitude for a Chelsea fan to have though. Why should you care about hundreds of years of history lul? I'm not saying I support the idea. I've said it's wrong. I'm just not overly bothered as to what happens. You also said its only fans of teams in leagues one and two who would care. Wrong. Just because it doesn't directly affect you negatively does not mean you shouldn't care.
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Post by ChappyHova on May 9, 2014 9:13:44 GMT
The overwhelming majority of fans are knobheads though so I wouldn't care what they say. There's good people on here.
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Post by Gobble Gobble on May 9, 2014 9:14:41 GMT
I would think the overwhelming majority would be bothered. Barely anyone wants this to happen as it will potentially ruin the lower leagues, which is a major part of English football.
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Post by Бенне on May 9, 2014 9:23:30 GMT
Right I'll try and respond reasonably ignoring who it is saying this shit, but yeah, I'm not sure you understand the issues it'll cause Mike? Do you realise that if all these teams are implemented, then there are obviously going to be certain ones that do well and others that don't, but the ones that do well and get promoted from "league three" to whatever level they manage, that's going to cause repercussions on the teams they're replacing. Look at Bristol Rovers this year, they've been relegated to the conference just as their new stadium's being built and they reckon if they aren't out of the conference in the next year or so they're looking at going under, and that's a club with like 100 years of history maybe going up in smoke? Yes that's their fault, but with the whole B Teams thing, could you imagine a team like that going down and into serious trouble in place of Manchester United B ffs?
There's so many more issues but obviously I'd end up going on forever. You're potentially causing the death of clubs with history and tradition to make United reserves more competitive, how fucking selfish is that? Also, in answer to your other question, the gap between the top 6 will grow because they have two teams to pick instead of one, so there's WAY more opportunities for them to play their reserves and train them, but is that necessarily going to help England? When you look at the top teams' reserves, there's an influx of foreigners anyway so why would it benefit us that much?
Silly silly idea.
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Post by ChappyHova on May 9, 2014 9:32:57 GMT
Having B teams instead of U21 will allow the bigger clubs to get bigger squads of young talent and at no risk to the big club either.
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Post by MrAndyJay on May 9, 2014 9:33:18 GMT
Fucking nonsense. Want English players at the highest level? 3 simple steps: Change the rule that says foreign academy graduates count as home-grown. Change the u-21 rule for squads to u-19's. Increase the minimum 'Home-Grown' from eight to ten. Then you enforce those rules and hey presto, there'll be more English players in the Premier League. Pretty sure the reason for "home grown" is to get round discrimination laws. You can't discriminate against people based on their nationality for employment in this country (or most). Changing to U19 is pointless. The problem age for players is 19-21 as they are often too old for youth teams and not quite developed enough to keep up a first team place. This is where most players drop out of the system. The B team thing is nonsense though. Players can go out on loan to the lower leagues to get competitive football without ripping the soul out of the lower leagues. I actually think the biggest reason for the problem facing English football is the high fees commanded for English players (which the home grown rule contributes to). Big clubs are buying up younger and younger players in order to try and get them cheaper rather than waiting until they have fully developed and then buying the best players. This means instead of staying at lower league clubs and playing young players go into Academy's and stagnate in non-competitive football. Although you are right and I agree with what you say, my suggestion isnt about discrimination, standards or whether or players who arent good enough at 20 dropping down the pyramid, my suggestion, quite literally, would increase the number of English players in the PL and that's exactly what the commission want. Regarding the fees, that is half the problem. The other half is when they're buying them to fill the quota and not playing them (Sturridge at Chelsea, Sinclair at Man City etc.) Edit: meant to say this yesterday when I was reading it but you reminded me of it: Changing to u-19 is not pointless. It in fact has great merit in terms of having English players in the league. Man City bought Mario Balotelli for nearly £20m, and didnt have to register him. Chelsea Bought Lukaku for £10m, didnt have to register him, and neither have WBA or Everton as he's only 20. The list goes on.
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Post by Gianni Infantino on May 9, 2014 9:36:50 GMT
I don't disagree with that. I've said a few times now that I'm not in favour of this. The point I'm making is that the average Joe who supports one of the premier leagues elite won't be all that bothered by this. That's not shit, that's the harsh reality of the situation. You don't represent the average person though, do you? You're a special breed of mongoloid. Me and Benneh get a lot of stick, probably deserved sometimes, for gunning for you but how can you blame us when you chat shit like this?
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Post by Ryan on May 9, 2014 9:36:55 GMT
I just think it's funny the FA think that England suck because the players aren't getting enough playing time. They don't get enough playing time because they're wank, it starts much lower than this shite they've come up with imo. Totally agree. FA think they need to implement loads of rules to try and get the national team to improve when in reality, they're shite and it's far too late at this level. If players are quality enough, they go get played. Would completely ruin the prestige of the play offs too, love watching them and can't imagine them being that exciting when the final is contested between 10th and 11th because B teams have taken up those spots. Also find it funny how the FA are up Germany's arse because they got a good set of players. Once upon a time England had a golden generation too that won a total of nothing. So far that Germany team has done the same thing.
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Post by Maskya Yoshida on May 9, 2014 9:51:19 GMT
'I'm not particularly a fan of the Germans killing millions of Jews.
But I'm not Jewish or in Germany so I'm not really bothered if it happens or not since I'm not affected.'
- Mike in 1944
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Post by Gianni Infantino on May 9, 2014 9:53:28 GMT
Have you actually spoken to or heard from a decent number of Premier League/Championship (because they're unaffected too, let's remember) to base that on though? Of course you haven't, every statement you come out with is unfounded. Go and have a look around, people are annoyed by this because it has a much deeper effect than just spoiling things for lower league clubs.
Imagine Chelsea were relegated a couple of times, you'd be bothered then wouldn't you?
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Post by ChappyHova on May 9, 2014 10:07:45 GMT
Having B teams instead of U21 will allow the bigger clubs to get bigger squads of young talent and at no risk to the big club either. But what good is having large amounts of young talent if the highet level they can play at is the fourth and third tier of English football? Am I right in thinking that if this was to go ahead then the B team can't progress higher than league one? There is only so much progression a youngster can make playing in such a low standard of competition. Surely it isn't even that beneficial to the big clubs in that respect? Better off having a feeder club in a half decent league abroad somewhere. Are you messing?
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Post by Maskya Yoshida on May 9, 2014 10:09:28 GMT
Don't know if it's been said either, but this whole B team doesn't mean there'd be more English players. What's to stop Arsenal or Chelsea just playing a B team full of 18 year old foreign players?
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Post by ChappyHova on May 9, 2014 10:10:25 GMT
I thought that too but I think Sweeney said it's only English players in the B team?
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