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Jun 21, 2024 10:08:04 GMT
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Post by Pablo on Jun 21, 2024 10:08:04 GMT
Spain last night should be the perfect blue print for England. Obviously, Rice is not Rodri, but he’s probably as close as anyone else in the tournament has to him.
Fuck the two sitting midfielders off, get Rice in as a sole holder, a proper left back on and two pacey cunts either side of Kane. Then play Bellingham and Foden as 8s. I’ll be damned if that England midfield isn’t better than Rodri, Fabian and Pedri combined
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Post by Bollozczkowski on Jun 21, 2024 12:49:58 GMT
I don't understand how playing Rice as a sole holder solves anything, he's never played that role and it takes away from some of his strengths.
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Jun 21, 2024 13:22:49 GMT
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Post by sween on Jun 21, 2024 13:22:49 GMT
I do think Rice-Jude-Foden as the 3 with Gordon and Saka out wide is worth trying
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Jun 21, 2024 13:26:53 GMT
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Post by Bollozczkowski on Jun 21, 2024 13:26:53 GMT
I don't hate it completely and it's preferable to the current system but Rice's performance yesterday terrifies me if we're progressing the ball through him as a lone 6.
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Jun 21, 2024 15:52:11 GMT
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Post by Gobble Gobble on Jun 21, 2024 15:52:11 GMT
He’s played as the 6 on his own a lot. Arsenal play with a 6 and two 8s usually and most of the first half of the season was Rice at 6 with Havertz and Odegaard as the 8s. Sounds like a similar arrangement.
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Jun 21, 2024 17:29:31 GMT
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Post by Bollozczkowski on Jun 21, 2024 17:29:31 GMT
Still don't think it's the same role, even then he was given more licence to roam than the same role with England, as well as more defensive full backs. He's proven to be one of the best 8s in the world, let him play there! www.whoscored.com/Players/332325/Show/Declan-RiceThat has him playing 2 games at CDM all season.
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Jun 21, 2024 17:43:55 GMT
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Post by Gobble Gobble on Jun 21, 2024 17:43:55 GMT
Both those games are England so just going to be how they define the positions but Rice was predominantly a 6 for half the season when Havertz played the 8 role.
But yes, a well drilled Arsenal team is obviously a lot different than the shite management from Southgate.
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Jun 21, 2024 19:33:45 GMT
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Post by Pablo on Jun 21, 2024 19:33:45 GMT
I don’t think sites like whoscored think of Arsenal’s formation as anything other than a flat 3 in midfield though. I do think that’s England’s best, most structurally sound midfield though and also had more potential than fluidity than whatever implication of fluidity they’re doing at the minute
Fwiw I do think Rice is an excellent ball carrier and can be used well as an 8. But he’s not as good as Bellingham or Foden at it and there’s nobody better as a 6 than him. England’s biggest issue so far has been inhibiting some players to suit others’ strengths. I think not playing Foden and Bellingham in their preferred roles makes less sense to fit Rice’s strengths
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Jun 22, 2024 13:49:11 GMT
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Post by EdinBruges on Jun 22, 2024 13:49:11 GMT
Some really good analysis on the BBC about our pressing woes. We're the third worst side in the competition for our press and one of the things that stood out for me off the ball was that nobody knew what the trigger was. Foden would sprint out and yet the defender would have an easy pass on, Kane would trundle around but not be able to close down. Saka struggled to pick up his runners.
I don't know if it's positionally causing problems due to the lack of structure but it's a real concern when most goals seem to be coming from high up the field turnovers.
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Jun 24, 2024 11:49:23 GMT
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Post by EdinBruges on Jun 24, 2024 11:49:23 GMT
Gallagher starting over Trent apparently. Good call, if not a bit safe.
Now to sort the left side out.
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Jun 24, 2024 12:31:19 GMT
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Post by Bollozczkowski on Jun 24, 2024 12:31:19 GMT
Good call? One of our big problems is control and Gallagher doesn't offer that at all. He was absolutely awful when he came on vs Denmark.
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Post by Pablo on Jun 24, 2024 12:43:43 GMT
Yeah if Trent was the problem, Gallagher isn’t the answer. Neither is Mainoo though and then you’re left with either Bellingham further back or Wharton.
Left side won’t get sorted out unless Southgate drops Foden, because he won’t drop Bellingham further back. Wouldn’t shock me if he drops Saka for Foden to play on the right
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Post by Pedri fan account on Jun 24, 2024 14:39:31 GMT
looking forward to a 3-0 England win tomorrow, everything to be sorted and ready for a run to the semi-finals, only to lose to Ralf Rangnick's Austria in the round of 16
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Jun 24, 2024 14:45:50 GMT
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Post by almachtig on Jun 24, 2024 14:45:50 GMT
We lacked control because we refused to press which let both Serbia and Denmark advance to the halfway line unimpeded. If this comes with Southgate also having them press more then it is a positive change. Asking for any personnel changes without a system change is pointless, there is no possible line up that we have that would make the tactics actually look good. And if we don't change the system Rangnick will turn us over.
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Jun 24, 2024 15:16:49 GMT
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Post by EdinBruges on Jun 24, 2024 15:16:49 GMT
Good call? One of our big problems is control and Gallagher doesn't offer that at all. He was absolutely awful when he came on vs Denmark. As an individual it may not be the preferred choice but I think positionally and system-wise he will bring more control. Having an actual midfielder in position alongside Rice will help the balance of the team and should prevent too much drift which was what was happening as the game went on in the last two games. He won't have the bollocks to drop Foden so you're still going to have that issue higher up the pitch but it's a move in the right direction imo.
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