Scottish Independence

[EdinBruges]

Sept 19, 2014 0:06:46 GMT cl7 said:

Sept 18, 2014 23:46:49 GMT EdinBruges said:

Sky News running that there's several allegations of electoral fruad in Glasgow.

thankfully doesn't seem to be a huge deal.

I'm not buying the BBC claims that there's been a late shift towards No. Their agenda is pretty clear and theyre only going off today's YouGov poll. Yes should be good in Glasgow and Dundee, decent support in Aberdeen and Edinburgh could well be 50/50. I think this will be proper close.

That the agenda of reporting the truth then?

Utterly hilarious seeing the bitterness from some of the Yes voters, some refusing to accept the result, others bringing up accusations of a fix because of one image of a Yes ballot on a table marked for No's even though it was explained it was a yet-to-be-counted stack.

Also think a lot of young people who voted will probably become a bit disillusioned with politics solely because they didn't get their way, seen so much hostility online towards No voters, easy to see why No voters were quieter.

I would say time will tell if it's the right decision for them or not, but realistically every negativity will now be used by Yes voters as an argument this was a mistake.

Massive egg in the face of Salmond though surely, can play the plucky underdog as much as he likes but this was his idea, he pushed for this for years, electioned on the back of it, got elected on the back of it, to find out a clear majority of Scottish people don't actually want it.

Sept 19, 2014 9:46:30 GMT shaunie said:

The 4 yes voting local authorities have the highest levels of poverty in Scotland. Says it all really

It says that people in poverty stricken areas wanted change? Or that people not in poverty stricken areas don't trust the Scottish political system with more powers given under the powers they've got now they're still living in poverty?

Being facetious, but I don't think that says much at all.

[shaunie]

Sept 19, 2014 10:01:57 GMT EdinBruges said:

Sept 19, 2014 0:06:46 GMT cl7 said:

thankfully doesn't seem to be a huge deal.

I'm not buying the BBC claims that there's been a late shift towards No. Their agenda is pretty clear and theyre only going off today's YouGov poll. Yes should be good in Glasgow and Dundee, decent support in Aberdeen and Edinburgh could well be 50/50. I think this will be proper close.

That the agenda of reporting the truth then?

Utterly hilarious seeing the bitterness from some of the Yes voters, some refusing to accept the result, others bringing up accusations of a fix because of one image of a Yes ballot on a table marked for No's even though it was explained it was a yet-to-be-counted stack.

Also think a lot of young people who voted will probably become a bit disillusioned with politics solely because they didn't get their way, seen so much hostility online towards No voters, easy to see why No voters were quieter.

I would say time will tell if it's the right decision for them or not, but realistically every negativity will now be used by Yes voters as an argument this was a mistake.

Massive egg in the face of Salmond though surely, can play the plucky underdog as much as he likes but this was his idea, he pushed for this for years, electioned on the back of it, got elected on the back of it, to find out a clear majority of Scottish people don't actually want it.

Sept 19, 2014 9:46:30 GMT shaunie said:

The 4 yes voting local authorities have the highest levels of poverty in Scotland. Says it all really

It says that people in poverty stricken areas wanted change? Or that people not in poverty stricken areas don't trust the Scottish political system with more powers given under the powers they've got now they're still living in poverty?

Being facetious, but I don't think that says much at all.

Some yes voters I've seen are just embarrassing themselves with things they are posting on social media.

its the former I was referring to. Like I've mentioned before the fact we will be ruled by a Tory government, many of these people would have been alive and seen what happened the last time and the poor will just get poorer. 

[cl7]

No. The BBC were 100% behind the No campaign, they've not even been hiding it. Give it a bloody rest man you've honestly been so so boring ITT, not the only one over the last 2 pages mind.

Anyway, roll on the Tory UKIP government! In all honesty I'll wait until January before judging all of this but right now I think we've made the wrong choice. But meh, I don't hate the union - so if I had a choice I'd rather we got change while in it. I don't think this will be another 79, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Dan]

Sept 19, 2014 9:46:30 GMT shaunie said:

The 4 yes voting local authorities have the highest levels of poverty in Scotland. Says it all really

That poor people are stupid and shouldn't be allowed a vote in the first place?

[EdinBruges]

Sept 19, 2014 10:25:24 GMT cl7 said:

No. The BBC were 100% behind the No campaign, they've not even been hiding it. Give it a bloody rest man you've honestly been so so boring ITT, not the only one over the last 2 pages mind.

Anyway, roll on the Tory UKIP government! In all honesty I'll wait until January before judging all of this but right now I think we've made the wrong choice. But meh, I don't hate the union - so if I had a choice I'd rather we got change while in it. I don't think this will be another 79, but I'm not holding my breath.

hahahahaha you're so mad

Whip the tin-foil hat off lad and stop acting like you've been hard done by, if you've got a genuine complaint send it to Ofcom as the BBC are bound by strict guidelines regarding impartiality, otherwise it's just a pointless throwaway excuse aimed to deflect from the fact that the majority of Scottish people don't agree with you.

[shaunie]

Sept 19, 2014 10:26:30 GMT Dan said:

Sept 19, 2014 9:46:30 GMT shaunie said:

The 4 yes voting local authorities have the highest levels of poverty in Scotland. Says it all really

That poor people are stupid and shouldn't be allowed a vote in the first place?

That the poor people wanted to see a change and didn't want to see their children grow up in a country run by a Conservative government, you ignorant tool.

[Dan]

Sept 19, 2014 10:43:06 GMT shaunie said:

Sept 19, 2014 10:26:30 GMT Dan said:

That poor people are stupid and shouldn't be allowed a vote in the first place?

That the poor people wanted to see a change and didn't want to see their children grow up in a country run by a Conservative government, you ignorant tool.

The poor people will still be poor and stupid whoever is in charge. It's just the way of life. They need to get on with it and stop moaning.

[EdinBruges]

Ignoring cretins on Twitter demanding it's rigged and demanding a recount, at least this was settled relatively clearly; at least in this it's a clear majority who've won, rather than a general election where the majority of people actually vote against the eventual winner.

[almachtig]

Sept 19, 2014 8:40:38 GMT Pedri fan account said:

Was never going to be a clear Yes. Pretty incredible that they got 45% of the vote really when you consider where the campaign started

Exactly, no idea where all this "so when's Salmond resigning?" stuff is coming from. It could have been a whitewash from where it started. The man has fought well and awakened many voters. Christ almighty, he got a referendum on the table, his party has a majority in the Scottish Assembly for the first time ever, Salmond and the SNP have done fantastically over the past 5 years to get 10% away from an independent Scotland all things told.

Hate all the patronising shite coming out now as well, not the jokey stuff as such, moreso the "oh well done, Scotland, you did the right thing. You voted with your head instead of your heart." As though anyone who voted yes was walking into the polling booth waving a St. Andrews cross and yelling 'Freedom' and only the no voters were capable of seeing past their infantile brains to put the cross next to no. That and all the "well your economy simply wouldn't have been as strong as it is now" and as we've seen in this thread "Americans think you did the right thing." Who. The Fuck. Cares? Oh no the richest 10% of people in Scotland earn less than they normally would, meanwhile they actually have a chance at a government capable of impacting the kind of social change the people want to see based on their voting patterns in the last 20 years of elections, if having a few Americans think you're idiots cause you won't be a "world player on the economic stage" is all that takes it mightn't have been so bad. Being part of a major power is why they've got nuclear weapons living with Nessie, for Christ's sake.

Personally I'm not sure which way I'd have gone had I been Scottish, both had pros and both had cons, but either way I'd have gone would not be me choosing head over heart or vice versa it would have been head over head. My opinion of 'Fuck the Tories' is not a heart thing, it's something my brain has decided thanks to observation of them being cunts.

[almachtig]

Or put more succinctly:

Sept 19, 2014 9:37:26 GMT g7vikings said:

away with your patronising shite, will ye

[Mycon]

No wins but it still means that 45% are against the union which is a significant amount, at least 1.5m people are against the union so I hope they're looked after now.

[Deleted]

Dread to think what it'd be like if Stormont had more powers seeing as they can't agree on fuck all as it is. Set down a red tie and there'd be disagreements on the shade, with Sinn Fien wanting it removed because that colour is to close to the union fleg and doesn't represent a "shared future", but the DUP argue that that red tie is part of our identity. I for one welcome our Westminster overlords.

[sween]

some right bell ends on here

[Pedri fan account]

The afternath of this has made me so much more mad than the actual campaign. Some people are fuckin assholes.

I just hope Scottish people stay as involved in the democratic process because they've shown the power is with the people. We all get apathetic and the elite is in power etc but at the end of the day your vote counts. I'm pretty gutted for Scotland but regardless of the result there is a chance now to make changes. Be as active as you have been in politics and changes will happen.

But yeah, people laughing at the Yes campaign or in general being petty fucks, I hope they get riddled with debt and are never able to get out of it because they are short sighted pathetic pricks.

Thus ends my rant

[wf4v3ry]

Scotland voting no. The correct decision, we didnt want the nukes either...

Devolution of Cornwall? an assembly like Wales? Would be nice but realistically, it probably will never happen