Scottish Independence

[EdinBruges]

Cracks appearin already apparently between Milliband and Cameron, tbf there's a monumental headache coming somewhere not only with Scotland's devolved powers but the rest of the UK's too.

Salmond stepping down. Good riddance.

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[shaunie]

Sept 19, 2014 10:47:11 GMT Dan said:

Sept 19, 2014 10:43:06 GMT shaunie said:

That the poor people wanted to see a change and didn't want to see their children grow up in a country run by a Conservative government, you ignorant tool.

The poor people will still be poor and stupid whoever is in charge. It's just the way of life. They need to get on with it and stop moaning.

You really seem to have no idea how big of a deal this referendum was. The whole "get on with it" attitude is stupid. This wasn't someone winning the fucking XFactor that 45% of Scots didn't want to win it, it was a chance to become our own independent nation and to be run by the people of Scotland and not by those clowns in Westminster. Alex Salmond resigning is a crying shame because he is 10x the politician any of them will ever be.

[shaunie]

Sept 19, 2014 10:47:36 GMT EdinBruges said:

Ignoring cretins on Twitter demanding it's rigged and demanding a recount, at least this was settled relatively clearly; at least in this it's a clear majority who've won, rather than a general election where the majority of people actually vote against the eventual winner.

The irony is that 55% of Scotland have used their voting right to essentially throw away their voting right. 

[EdinBruges]

Aye you get the sense the Tory's are loving it as they know they've got Labour over a barrell with this devolution.

[shaunie]

Sept 19, 2014 17:38:25 GMT EdinBruges said:

Aye you get the sense the Tory's are loving it as they know they've got Labour over a barrell with this devolution.

Aye they definitely have. The funny thing with that is that the areas that Labour used to put first are now the kind of places that they have no chance of being elected in, come the next election. I've seen many people say the will never vote Labour again. And Milliband not agreeing to sign for devolution puts the final nail in their coffin. Then again the Scottish vote doesn't matter as to who gets in power in Westminster so knowing our luck, Milliband will be the next PM.

[AlexC]

is Oyarzabal okay?

[EdinBruges]

Tbf, Millibands issue with devolution is that Cameron is now only promising it if it means Scottish MP's don't factor into English votes. That's why Milliband is against it because it would erode his majority massively. At least that's how I understand it.

[Macleod77]

Still can't get over that we never got independence this morning. I seriously hope we don't live to regret the decision and i also hope this won't be our last chance of independence in my lifetime, i doubt it will be tbh.

I think that quite a lot of people went into the vote yesterday and bottled it and changed their mind from yes to no. Thats fair enough. I'll always be a person with hope and ambition rather than not take the risk. I have said from early on that either way Scotland will hopefully be better off. Lets just hope the promises that were given to us are delivered. Cos if they ain't, i wouldn't be surprised to se another referendum with-in 10 years.

I also don't get people from the No camp celebrating Alex Salmond resigning. I get that he isn't the most likable character, but without Salmond we wouldn't have had the chance to decide our future. Then the fact that he managed to bring the vote so close that Westminster had to create promises of new power to prevent the Yes side from inevitably wining says it all. No Salmond would have meant no change whatsoever for Scotland, and hopefully the other areas of the UK.

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85% is a shit voter turnout. 

[ic]

Sept 19, 2014 15:10:31 GMT EdinBruges said:

Cracks appearin already apparently between Milliband and Cameron, tbf there's a monumental headache coming somewhere not only with Scotland's devolved powers but the rest of the UK's too.

Salmond stepping down. Good riddance.

I'm not having that.

I've never liked Alex salmond. A number of years ago when I wrote about politics I made it clear I did not support his party and their policies. I've been one of his strongest critics at times. That being said, he's managed to change politics in this country forever regardless of what the outcome was. He had well over a million people on his side, almost an entire nation came out to vote as they felt their opinion counted. When was the last time turnouts were that high? His passion and determination made him a powerful leader of the snp and a difficult opponent for those he came up against. His kind won't be seen in this country (Scotland or the uk) for a while, I can guarantee that. Rather than accept the compromise dealt to him in the form of increased powers, essentially selling himself out like a certain mr clegg has done, he's stepped down. Many might not like him but the effects of his departure will surely be felt for years to come.

[EdinBruges]

Sept 19, 2014 18:10:39 GMT ic said:

I'm not having that.

I've never liked Alex salmond. A number of years ago when I wrote about politics I made it clear I did not support his party and their policies. I've been one of his strongest critics at times. That being said, he's managed to change politics in this country forever regardless of what the outcome was. He had well over a million people on his side, almost an entire nation came out to vote as they felt their opinion counted. When was the last time turnouts were that high? His passion and determination made him a powerful leader of the snp and a difficult opponent for those he came up against. His kind won't be seen in this country (Scotland or the uk) for a while, I can guarantee that. Rather than accept the compromise dealt to him in the form of increased powers, essentially selling himself out like a certain mr clegg has done, he's stepped down. Many might not like him but the effects of his departure will surely be felt for years to come.

Nah not having that, you can think differently of him having lived under him to an extent but I can't stand him and am glad to see the back of him. You're giving him too much credit for mobilising the Yes campaign, it was moreso down to national pride than anything Salmond said or did, even Ooter said a while ago it shouldn't be about Salmond or the SNP but the future for Scotland long after him, but Salmond or at least those around him seemed intent on making it about him.

In terms of what he's done for the independance movement, aye, he's brought it on leaps and bounds and if you support that the bloke can leave with his head held high regardless of the result. But as a politician everything I've seen from him has irked me. His waving of the saltire, strategically placed behind Cameron, in the royal box when Murray won Wimbledon was crass beyond belief to the extent even Murray himself spoke out against him for doing so.

Sept 19, 2014 18:02:58 GMT Macleod77 said:

Still can't get over that we never got independence this morning. I seriously hope we don't live to regret the decision and i also hope this won't be our last chance of independence in my lifetime, i doubt it will be tbh.

I think that quite a lot of people went into the vote yesterday and bottled it and changed their mind from yes to no. Thats fair enough. I'll always be a person with hope and ambition rather than not take the risk. I have said from early on that either way Scotland will hopefully be better off. Lets just hope the promises that were given to us are delivered. Cos if they ain't, i wouldn't be surprised to se another referendum with-in 10 years.

I also don't get people from the No camp celebrating Alex Salmond resigning. I get that he isn't the most likable character, but without Salmond we wouldn't have had the chance to decide our future. Then the fact that he managed to bring the vote so close that Westminster had to create promises of new power to prevent the Yes side from inevitably wining says it all. No Salmond would have meant no change whatsoever for Scotland, and hopefully the other areas of the UK.

Tbf there'll be regret about the decision for the foreseeable future, every negative story will have those in the Yes camp come out and say we told you so, just as it'd be the same if the roles were reversed.

My dislike of Salmond is a personal thing, not based on any policies or the like; I've got the same dislike for Brian Binley, Eric Pickles and Danny Alexander.

[Szilard Nemeth]

Not having that Djed.

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I'm not having that, no matter how much you dislike him, Salmond's achieved something pretty remarkable considering and resigned rather than be bent over by the Tories. Fair play to him.

[ic]

Sept 19, 2014 18:20:02 GMT EdinBruges said:

Sept 19, 2014 18:10:39 GMT ic said:

I'm not having that.

I've never liked Alex salmond. A number of years ago when I wrote about politics I made it clear I did not support his party and their policies. I've been one of his strongest critics at times. That being said, he's managed to change politics in this country forever regardless of what the outcome was. He had well over a million people on his side, almost an entire nation came out to vote as they felt their opinion counted. When was the last time turnouts were that high? His passion and determination made him a powerful leader of the snp and a difficult opponent for those he came up against. His kind won't be seen in this country (Scotland or the uk) for a while, I can guarantee that. Rather than accept the compromise dealt to him in the form of increased powers, essentially selling himself out like a certain mr clegg has done, he's stepped down. Many might not like him but the effects of his departure will surely be felt for years to come.

Nah not having that, you can think differently of him having lived under him to an extent but I can't stand him and am glad to see the back of him. You're giving him too much credit for mobilising the Yes campaign, it was moreso down to national pride than anything Salmond said or did, even Ooter said a while ago it shouldn't be about Salmond or the SNP but the future for Scotland long after him, but Salmond or at least those around him seemed intent on making it about him.

Also bollocks, he WAS the yes campaign. He forced the referendum into an action rather than a pipe dream. You've answered yourself there, the referendum was about more than him or the party and that's exactly what the reaction should have been. Playing on national pride and the discontent of Scottish voters mobilised the yes campaign no question, but do you really think a faceless politician in the form of sturgeon or even Angus Robertson would have brought on the same reaction? I doubt it. You may be glad to see the back of him on a personal level but good riddance it most certainly is not.