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Post by Cashis on Feb 21, 2016 10:21:46 GMT
This has affected you way more than it should have though. On the whole I agree with you at the core of religion there is some nasty stuff that goes on but the average religious person are good people, can't say that I know a mentally weak religious person. Is Floyd Mayweather "mentally weak"? I just realised I didn't really address the middle part of your post. Firstly, let me correct you - there isn't "some" nasty stuff that goes on, there is a complete amalgamation of horrible disgusting shit that goes on. Just wanted to make that clear. When you align yourself to a religion and you pigeon hole yourself in that way you join a cult that has committed numerous horrific acts, not just throughout "the olden days" but acts that continue throughout the modern day. The Pope is a child rape sympathiser - why on earth would you align yourself with a religion like that? The Qur'an - do I ever need to go into that? Why would you align yourself with a religion that condones the beating and general mistreatment of women? This is why I believe the "normal, nice" people of the world who happen to be religious have, on the most part, been heavily brainwashed by their parents or other relatives, because nobody with a decent grasp on what is intrinsically good and bad would align themselves with such practices. Either that or they're afraid of death and need some sort of solace. These people deserve sympathy empathy and our pity.
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Post by Cashis on Feb 21, 2016 10:23:24 GMT
Pol Pot and Stalin were atheists. Good job guys. You clearly have nothing of value to add.
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Post by The Quito Diet on Feb 21, 2016 10:28:14 GMT
This has affected you way more than it should have though. On the whole I agree with you at the core of religion there is some nasty stuff that goes on but the average religious person are good people, can't say that I know a mentally weak religious person. Is Floyd Mayweather "mentally weak"? I just realised I didn't really address the middle part of your post. Firstly, let me correct you - there isn't "some" nasty stuff that goes on, there is a complete amalgamation of horrible disgusting shit that goes on. Just wanted to make that clear. When you align yourself to a religion and you pigeon hole yourself in that way you join a cult that has committed numerous horrific acts, not just throughout "the olden days" but acts that continue throughout the modern day. The Pope is a child rape sympathiser - why on earth would you align yourself with a religion like that? The Qur'an - do I ever need to go into that? Why would you align yourself with a religion that condones the beating and general mistreatment of women? This is why I believe the "normal, nice" people of the world who happen to be religious have, on the most part, been heavily brainwashed by their parents or other relatives, because nobody with a decent grasp on what is intrinsically good and bad would align themselves with such practices. Either that or they're afraid of death and need some sort of solace. See for the record I fully agree with your last point about questioning why people follow religion(s) that have such questionable morals and actions within them; But for arguments sake, who are you to say that's not the accepted way to live? The argument you make about being brainwashed to believe that way of life is normal is entirely applicable to our way of living too, we've been raised from an early age and told how we should be living, just that our morals are formed from societies general consensus of what is and isn't acceptable rather than formed from a book written thousands of years ago. I do disagree with ChappyHova, I don't think most religious people are good people at all, I think it's far more than a minority of them that hold backwards opinions regarding equality for gender, race, sexuality. Look at how hard females have had to fight, wasn't it only just last year they managed to get a female bishop and even then blokes were walking out in disgust at the thought. It may be the minority of religious people who are bad with their actions, but it's far more who are bad with their beliefs and these are the more dangerous group as they allow the former's actions to go unchallenged.
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Post by ChappyHova on Feb 21, 2016 10:36:46 GMT
Maybe I've just been lucky that I've never met that type of person then. Obviously I've seen them in the news etc but never met anyone like that.
All the religious people I know are lovely who do a lot for others regardless of who they are. As I said before my mams side of the family are religious and they're all loopy but proper lovely people, I can't be around them for ages becasue they're a bit too happy if that makes any sense loool.
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Post by The Quito Diet on Feb 21, 2016 10:50:02 GMT
It's not that they project their views it's that they hold them in the first place. Aye only the extreme cases end up in the news but that horrible-to-quantify "silent majority" are the ones that hold slightly-less-extreme-but-still-discriminatory views because they believe their religion insists they must.
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Post by The Quito Diet on Feb 21, 2016 10:54:06 GMT
If ever you needed proof of just how utterly fucking backwards strictly following a religion can be, just look at Saudi Arabia.
Fucking cess pool of backwards cunts.
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Post by Cashis on Feb 21, 2016 10:54:46 GMT
I just realised I didn't really address the middle part of your post. Firstly, let me correct you - there isn't "some" nasty stuff that goes on, there is a complete amalgamation of horrible disgusting shit that goes on. Just wanted to make that clear. When you align yourself to a religion and you pigeon hole yourself in that way you join a cult that has committed numerous horrific acts, not just throughout "the olden days" but acts that continue throughout the modern day. The Pope is a child rape sympathiser - why on earth would you align yourself with a religion like that? The Qur'an - do I ever need to go into that? Why would you align yourself with a religion that condones the beating and general mistreatment of women? This is why I believe the "normal, nice" people of the world who happen to be religious have, on the most part, been heavily brainwashed by their parents or other relatives, because nobody with a decent grasp on what is intrinsically good and bad would align themselves with such practices. Either that or they're afraid of death and need some sort of solace. See for the record I fully agree with your last point about questioning why people follow religion(s) that have such questionable morals and actions within them; But for arguments sake, who are you to say that's not the accepted way to live? The argument you make about being brainwashed to believe that way of life is normal is entirely applicable to our way of living too, we've been raised from an early age and told how we should be living, just that our morals are formed from societies general consensus of what is and isn't acceptable rather than formed from a book written thousands of years ago. I see what you're saying and I agree, i think modern society has been brainwashed to a large extent also, obviously including agnostics and atheists too. We're taught that arbitrary lines in the sand should divide what you are and how you're allowed to live your life (countries), we're taught it's normal to eat animals and take their milk for our own, we're taught that we can only vote for a few political parties, none of which provide what we want, we're taught that if we're to do something as naughty as taking a plant out of the ground, rolling it in paper and setting it on fire is punishable by law and we just accept it... So yeah, there's plenty of questionable aspects of our modern lives - but these are all there and in front of us and real, unlike religion.
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Post by ic on Feb 21, 2016 11:01:45 GMT
Djed touched on the very essence of the irrelevance of this in 2016 - the self-serving attitudes of many simply show that you cannot support any form of religion and claim to support equality at the same time. There's always an undermined party, there's always going to be a "lower class" whether it be for their choice of fuckbuddy, the colour of their skin or their gender.
It's no surprise that religion goes hand in hand with conservatism.
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Post by Maskya Yoshida on Feb 21, 2016 11:16:46 GMT
Pol Pot and Stalin were atheists. Good job guys. You clearly have nothing of value to add. I'm not that interested in getting into a discussion on theology with someone who incites hatred against religion whilst complaining that religion incites hatred.
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Post by Dan on Feb 21, 2016 11:21:10 GMT
Cashis needs help.
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Feb 21, 2016 12:29:50 GMT
And the Lord said "let he who is without sin make the first anti-religious bile and hatred thread".
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Post by The Quito Diet on Feb 21, 2016 12:59:53 GMT
Tbf I'd have thought it'd be right up Cashis' street, what with all that love thy neighbour (and their neighbour, and their neighbours neighbour) talk. Not so sure it's meant to be taken as literally as he does mind.
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Post by Cashis on Feb 21, 2016 13:12:49 GMT
You clearly have nothing of value to add. I'm not that interested in getting into a discussion on theology with someone who incites hatred against religion whilst complaining that religion incites hatred. You're not interested in getting into a discussion whatsoever so I've no idea why you entered the thread in the first place. If something incites hatred i don't accept it. I will happily pour scorn on people choosing to support organisations who discriminate by the command of their chosen deity. It's hypocritical to an extent but I don't see a way around that - similarly, the people who claim to be left wing and support acceptance of other races, sexualities etc. (as we obviously all should) yet also support religion are walking contradictions because religion goes directly against those values.. Like people who eat meat and dairy and claim to "love animals".
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Post by Cashis on Feb 21, 2016 13:13:36 GMT
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Post by Cashis on Feb 21, 2016 13:14:35 GMT
And the Lord said "let he who is without sin make the first anti-religious bile and hatred thread". Interested to hear your views on the subject if you'd stop interjecting with the occasional sarcastic comment for a moment.
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