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Post by LiamJM10 on May 8, 2014 20:30:21 GMT
There are plenty of players that stand out at World Cups playing for good teams that were never going to win it. Forlan, Hagi, Stoichkov, Suker, Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania or Uruguay were never gonna win the WC but these guys put in Golden Ball-level performances. I'd say Portugal have better players than all of those teams on paper. I never said Portugal were better than Brazil, it's just that they're not a bad team so what he does internationally is not irrelevant. As I said the 'platform' is there. I don't think he's done badly either, his international career has been better than Messi for me. He does alright for himself. If you read the article above, Brazil had come in for a lot of criticism in 98 and Ronaldo was basically carrying the team through to the final. That's why he won Golden Ball. C. Ronaldo has never stood out like that at international level. Ronaldo was very good at the Euros I thought.
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Post by Gianni Infantino on May 8, 2014 21:13:28 GMT
At the moment, still Brazilian Ronaldo but wouldn't surprise me if Cristiano surpasses him when careers are done Your gonna want to mute it Something that video made me think, has anyone else played for Barce, Madrid and both Milans? Wouldn't shock me too much if Zlatan ended up at Madrid but afaik he's the only one so far.
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Post by LiamJM10 on May 8, 2014 22:43:25 GMT
Samuel Eto'o's a move away from Milan from doing that. Figo played for 3 of them too.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2014 22:47:31 GMT
Seedorf played for 3 of them too and would have been ideal for that dutch influenced Barca team at the end of the 90's
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Post by Childish on May 8, 2014 22:50:39 GMT
If Brazilian Ronaldo had played longer I think he'd have had a much more talked about career. Injury free he would have banged in 30+ goals a season for 10 years...when you think the praise Suarez or Van Persie get for having one season like that it's phenomenal he was doing it aged 20. But then Brazillians are known for having short but very high peaks.
Imo internationally C Ron has had as much of an impact. His national team are absolutely wank. Meireles, Nani, Varela, Veloso etc are all pretty fucking wank. Just watch them play...they contribute jack shit. He has dragged them to a World Cup. All time top scorer already. In the last 4 years he has scored 24 in 31 internationally. He 100% produces on the National Team stage, he's just surrounded by a lot of guff and in an era of dominant Spain.
Either way judging a player on how his team does it shit. Any time the Scholes vs Gerrard argument gets brought up and some dick chirps in 'Scholes won Premier League titles'. Sigh. If Gerrard wanted to win them he could have just went to the superior Man Utd team. I've no doubt Fergie would have picked him ahead of Anderson and Carrick.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2014 22:53:43 GMT
Raul Meireles is not wank.
although the point about Gerrard is a very good one.
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Post by Mycon on May 8, 2014 23:44:50 GMT
If Brazilian Ronaldo had played longer I think he'd have had a much more talked about career. Injury free he would have banged in 30+ goals a season for 10 years...when you think the praise Suarez or Van Persie get for having one season like that it's phenomenal he was doing it aged 20. But then Brazillians are known for having short but very high peaks. Imo internationally C Ron has had as much of an impact. His national team are absolutely wank. Meireles, Nani, Varela, Veloso etc are all pretty fucking wank. Just watch them play...they contribute jack shit. He has dragged them to a World Cup. All time top scorer already. In the last 4 years he has scored 24 in 31 internationally. He 100% produces on the National Team stage, he's just surrounded by a lot of guff and in an era of dominant Spain. Either way judging a player on how his team does it shit. Any time the Scholes vs Gerrard argument gets brought up and some dick chirps in 'Scholes won Premier League titles'. Sigh. If Gerrard wanted to win them he could have just went to the superior Man Utd team. I've no doubt Fergie would have picked him ahead of Anderson and Carrick. They really aren't wank at all, Moutinho would fit in anywhere, flanked by Raul Meireles and Veloso were an excellent unit at the Euros who really could have beaten Spain, certainly pushed them the furthest. He's the outstanding player of their attack but the rest of the team is pretty good. Pepe is excellent, so is Coentrao, Pereira is a good footballer and Alves is ok. The other forwards are fairly poor. The way you put it you'd think it was Bale lining up for Wales. Ronaldo's career will be talked about enough, that's the legacy of World Cups and he was star of two of them. Most people will tell you that he is one of the best strikers ever. And no he hasn't had as much of an impact, that's just wrong. Ronaldo is one of the best international footballers of all-time, different levels of impact.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 5:45:03 GMT
Imo internationally C Ron has had as much of an impact. His national team are absolutely wank. Meireles, Nani, Varela, Veloso etc are all pretty fucking wank. Just watch them play...they contribute jack shit. He has dragged them to a World Cup. All time top scorer already. In the last 4 years he has scored 24 in 31 internationally. He 100% produces on the National Team stage, he's just surrounded by a lot of guff and in an era of dominant Spain. I'd suggest you should watch them play yourself if you think no one else but Ronaldo 'contributes jack shit'. The midfield and defence usually play well, their problem is the lack of a decent striker and their finishing, which a lot of the time Ronaldo is to blame because he definitely doesn't perform to the standard he does for his club when with Portugal. He wasn't playing those great through balls to himself against Sweden. Furthermore, he has hardly been consistent for Portugal. A disappointment at Euro 2008 when everyone thought he would light it up and did nothing at the last World Cup. He also went over two fucking years without scoring a goal. Portugal have managed to perform well in spite of him quite frankly playing like shit. I can't be bothered to give you a history of Portugal internationals but I'll point to a recent example at Euro 2012 against Spain, nearly beat them and took them to pens but it wasn't because of Ronaldo was it. Of course the quality throughout the squad in general isn't near Ronaldo's calibre but to call them absolutely wank is hyperbole.
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Post by Childish on May 9, 2014 7:52:05 GMT
Tbh I just wanted to see what Eclipse would say if I called Portugals players wank! Though hes still in a shit team compared to Brazillian Ronaldo, C Ron has to do nearly all of the goal scoring because the attack is poor.
Having the same impact was wrong wording. But he was one of the top scorers in Euros qualifying, joint top scorer in the Euros (including a late goal to take them to the semis) and one of the top scorers in world cup qualification (including a hatrick in the playoff). Anyone who says he hasnt done it internationally is silly. Euro 2008 he was only 21 lol.
It's the same as saying 'Messi hasnt won a World Cup'. So? C Ronaldo has only won 1 La Liga but nobody ever questions his ability.
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Post by shaunie on May 9, 2014 9:57:06 GMT
It's a hard decision to make. If Ronaldo had a bit more luck with injuries, I have no doubt he would have been the greatest striker to ever live (he still might be even with his injuries) and then you get Cristiano who scores an incredible amount of goals, on a consistent basis and is basically the most complete attacking player the game has ever seen. Comparing the players around them is slightly pointless. Like someone pointed out, players like Forlan and Suker gave performances at the World Cup capable of winning the golden ball but CR7 hasn't done that. I do remember gaining a lot of respect for him at the Euro '12 though because ha gave all he could for his country and I thought he had a great tournament.
Not exactly relevant but people saying Ronaldinho was in his prime at the '02 World Cup, wasn't he still at PSG for another year after that?
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Post by Gianni Infantino on May 9, 2014 10:02:23 GMT
I do think we're gonna see a lot better from him this year. I'd say he's matured a lot in the last few years, he seems to have went into proper overdrive with football and seems to take it more seriously than anything. It's so different from his early days when it was all about looking flashy with a decent bit of production. The last five or so years (maybe back to that 07-08 season) he's been the opposite. His workrate in the Euros was brilliant, hopefully he works just as hard this summer.
Maybe it's just that Messi picked up his international performances and Ronaldo felt he need to as well. It's like when LeBron could smell blood with Kobe and upped his game another notch. Both Messi and Ronaldo had their best international and club scoring seasons in 2012.
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Post by MrAndyJay on May 9, 2014 10:22:17 GMT
It's hard to say who's better in the same way it's hard to say Pele or Maradona as one was made for goalscoring and the other for ripping teams apart.
I think what Ronaldo had in terms of a pure predatory instinct and footballing talent was absolutely frightening. You have to consider he lost about two years with the same injury, came back at the back end of '02 and then went to the World Cup and ran riot. And then at Madrid, just phenomenal. To come back from all that and still be that good, amazing.
Aveiro, let's face it, stunning footballer. In terms of all round talent, one of the greatest of all time. But it would be unfair, in my eyes, to just label him better.
They arent the same type of player at all. You cant fairly compare them. I think the only fair comparisions in football are Goalies, CB's and out and out Strikers. So many full backs, midfielders and wingers play drastically different roles from one another it's unfair.
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Post by cl7 on May 9, 2014 10:37:00 GMT
kinda fucks me off that because of 13 year old ultimate team traders, ksi fans , and footie BANTER pages one of the best strikers to ever live (probably the best) is now known as 'the fat Ronaldo'
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Post by Gianni Infantino on May 9, 2014 10:43:12 GMT
We know why people call him fat Ronaldo. It doesn't make it right, he deserves a lot more respect than to be spoken of as someone known only for being the fat one with the same name as Cristiano.
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Post by Maskya Yoshida on May 9, 2014 10:45:47 GMT
Fat Diego.
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