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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Apr 4, 2023 12:23:19 GMT
ange postecoslamp Бенне FYI I’d pick neither at 2 or wherever Young is projected to go and think Richardson needs to sit at least a year (so in hindsight maybe save that roasting until year 2 lol). The more I look at Bryce the more I’m convinced there’s just no chance he’ll hold up physically long enough for the coach/GM pairing that picks him to have enough success to justify the selection. He’s not just short - he’s incredibly slight. Like the outlier of outliers physically for an NFL QB. I know he didn’t have a great line at Bama and did plenty of running around but as good as the SEC is there’s a different calibre of dude chasing you in the NFL. It’s very unlikely he’ll be dropped into a situation with an elite O-Line so it feels like he’s destined for a speed run of Tua’s physical punishment. Also, he’s a functionally “fast enough” guy (in college terms) rather than an absolute burner like Lamar or Kyler. They could be comps (and this is being very generous to Young) in terms of slightness for Lamar and height for Kyler. They also have the luxury of having three rockets up their arse to be able to escape from trouble and have both still been dinged up for significant portions of the season over the last few years. I just have a very hard time seeing how his story ends well as harsh as that is. Regarding Richardson his success/failure is still massively situation dependent. However, there is at least recent template to making guys with skillsets somewhat like his work in the league schematically (the Hurts/Lamar offense progression). The gifts he has running give him a hell of a lot more time/slack figure out the pass game. His accuracy issues though inarguably there aren’t as bad as the raw numbers show either. Florida’s play design as well as their receiving talent did very little to help him out. It’s not just Ted (who I’ve linked below) pointing this out btw, it’s multiple analysts I trust. Even in the small amount of games he played there are multiple examples of him reading out progressions the right way and adjusting blitz protections pre-snap - “cerebral QB” type things. Richardson will need help and will have to work hard himself to be a success in the league which is a long way from a given but I have an easier time imagining that (and with a higher upside) than Young overcoming his issues which is why I landed where I landed on them basically.
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Post by ange postecoslamp on Apr 4, 2023 15:45:18 GMT
Young is genuinely the best prospect I've seen in a long time at feeling pressure and navigating inside the pocket, comparing him to Kyler (who spins out backwards at the first hint of pressure) is like apples to oranges. Yes, he's not an elite athlete by NFL standards but you don't need to be one inside the pocket (Tom Brady might have literally been the slowest man in football but he avoids tons of sacks through great pocket presence ((fuck Tom Brady though))).
As for Richardson, nobody's questioning the times on tape where he does put it together, but it's the fact it's so so massively inconsistent that's a worry. Mistakes get punished so much more in the NFL and he's going to cost a team 2+ picks a game if he plays like he did at Florida.
Saying he can run a Lamar/Hurts offence while he learns is very reductive too imo, Florida barely ran any read option and it's a lot harder to execute than it seems. (And both Hurts and Lamar had wayyyyy more experience and success as both a runner and passer in college).
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Post by ange postecoslamp on Apr 4, 2023 15:58:33 GMT
I'd recommend watching the whole thing as a tape study on Richardson vs. an NFL calibre defence but the throws at 1:33 and 2:00 are why I'm staying well clear.
First is a pick in the pros every time, why are you sailing a ball short into double coverage. Second is a completely unpressured check down which he sends so high and off target that the receiver barely avoids being taken down for a loss of about 8, and has to work hard to get that down to a loss of 2.
Lots of other just straight up off target throws to open receivers mixed in for good measure. Has a wide open TD at 3:13 that he sails unpressured and an even wider open 1st down at 4:53 that he again skies from a clean pocket.
"Oh but Georgia are really good, that's unfair" Compare this tape to CJ Stroud vs Georgia. Night and day.
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Apr 4, 2023 16:05:10 GMT
Young is genuinely the best prospect I've seen in a long time at feeling pressure and navigating inside the pocket, comparing him to Kyler (who spins out backwards at the first hint of pressure) is like apples to oranges. Yes, he's not an elite athlete by NFL standards but you don't need to be one inside the pocket (Tom Brady might have literally been the slowest man in football but he avoids tons of sacks through great pocket presence ((fuck Tom Brady though))). Brady is a giant of a human being, though. My overarching point about playing QB successfully in the NFL is you either have to be big enough to take the hits OR fast enough to avoid them. My big issue with Young is that he’s neither. Burrow is probably the best of the current QBs in the NFL at pocket feel/shiftiness. He’s also a giant of a man. Do you think there’s any way Young survives the sort of pounding Burrow’s taken over the last three year behind a comparable O-Line at his height and weight? Will deffo check out that Richardson vid (and am not for a second denying he’s project or very inexperienced coming out). Would be able to make a more definitive judgement from all-22 angle vs TV copy tho.
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Post by notpropaganda on Apr 4, 2023 16:26:40 GMT
I think they're both excellent and teams ahead of the Eagles pick at 10 should take them, and take all the QBs in fact
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Post by ange postecoslamp on Apr 4, 2023 16:27:37 GMT
Burrow's pocket presence is about fine imo, nowhere close to Young's. Genuinely cannot overstate how elite he looks at operating inside the pocket, regardless of his height.
Brady is tall yeah but that's got nothing to do with pocket presence. He's not exactly built to withstand hits either is he, nor is he fast enough to avoid them. But he doesn't get hit.
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Post by Бенне on Apr 4, 2023 18:28:59 GMT
Bryce Young is one of the smartest prospects coming out for years, and it shows in literally every Bama game you watch. I’m amazed your comparison for him coming out is Lamar/Kyler because I honestly wouldn’t put him in the same category as them as a player, he’s far more likely to beat you with his brain than his legs.
Anthony Richardson I think is a complete media creation, quite honestly. I see the highlight throws but you can’t play how he plays in college in the NFL and expect to succeed. I don’t even know who is a good pro comp for him because I think Cam is insanely generous and he’s at least been a superstar and won the Heisman. Like Jon’s said, compare Stroud vs Georgia to Richardson, one put the team on his back and one was completely out of his depth. I’d honestly rather have Will Levis than Richardson.
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Apr 4, 2023 18:35:01 GMT
Bryce Young is one of the smartest prospects coming out for years, and it shows in literally every Bama game you watch. I’m amazed your comparison for him coming out is Lamar/Kyler because I honestly wouldn’t put him in the same category as them as a player, he’s far more likely to beat you with his brain than his legs. I haven't compared Bryce Young to Lamar or Kyler in terms of playing style in anything I've written. In terms of stature I said of Young is similar height to Kyler (though Kyler is way more jacked) and at a stretch similar in build to Lamar (who is on the skinnier side of QBs in the league but still nowhere near as skinny as Young). Both of those have struggled staying healthy all while having the luxury of elite speed/acceleration to avoid some hits that Young doesn't have.
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Apr 4, 2023 18:52:44 GMT
Burrow's pocket presence is about fine imo, nowhere close to Young's. Genuinely cannot overstate how elite he looks at operating inside the pocket, regardless of his height. Brady is tall yeah but that's got nothing to do with pocket presence. He's not exactly built to withstand hits either is he, nor is he fast enough to avoid them. But he doesn't get hit. Re Burrow v Young I'll have to strongly agree to disagree and leave it there. Brady got hit plenty over two decades but had the frame to withstand it. Carrying weight as QB is just massively important it terms of withstanding the accumulation of hits. Like physics, inertia, all that stuff. Would love Young to prove me wrong but he's so far outside even the ballpark of a prototypical build that I just couldn't pull the trigger on him if I was a GM (luckily that will never be my problem lol).
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Post by Бенне on Apr 4, 2023 18:55:46 GMT
The closest comp I have for Bryce Young is Drew Brees in that he’s undersized but wins snaps with his decision making and accuracy. He’s a very very clean player as a passer and almost always makes the right decision, which I think translates a lot better to the pro’s than most traits.
In terms of your comparisons to Kyler and Lamar though, that’s exactly my point - there’s no point comparing traits they have which Young doesn’t because they aren’t important to the way he plays.
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Apr 4, 2023 19:03:29 GMT
The thing with Brees is he was 6ft. Bryce is 5’10. Brees certainly wasn’t skinny compared to Bryce either. This is kind of what I meant when I said outlier of outliers.
Even with otherworldly pocket movement of the best QBs in the league he’s gonna get hit on a semi-regular basis going against NFL players and I would be shocked if he can withstand that over a 17 game season.
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Post by The Quito Diet on Apr 4, 2023 19:07:24 GMT
2 inches means everything tbh 👀
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Post by #FreeBTS on Apr 21, 2023 9:33:17 GMT
Arizona's new uniforms are an absolute disgrace lmao, it looks like what an unlicensed team on PES would have. Phoenix Redbirds with Kevin Marray in at QB.
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Apr 21, 2023 15:54:59 GMT
Hard to find a platform promoting NFL content that isn’t up to its eyeballs in gambling sponsorships these days and yet a player can be banned six games when they’re not even betting on league games. Absolutely boggles the mind.
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Post by #FreeBTS on Apr 24, 2023 20:35:14 GMT
This seems like far too nice of a price for the Jets? No brainer in their position. AFC is absolute madness lmao, I think I count 10 franchise (or supposedly franchise) QBs
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