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Post by Kesh on Oct 20, 2014 13:52:59 GMT
I think people need to understand how crime and sentencing works in this country; you can't just change how things are because in this case it's football or because in this case she's done this or she said that. it's the same system for everyone. some of these points are just silly
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Post by Cashis on Oct 20, 2014 14:23:12 GMT
Yeah, talking out your arse here SOS I'm afraid chap
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Post by Maskya Yoshida on Oct 20, 2014 17:27:26 GMT
Makes a change.
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Post by #FreeBTS on Oct 20, 2014 17:39:06 GMT
shall we look at the 'victim' too for context? I mean generally I think a rapist deserves their life to be ruined for ruining a life but this bitch seems to enjoy the fact she was raped judging by her Twitter etc. he's improved her life tbh he deserves a bigger contract. jesus there's not really a massive reason why he shouldn't be allowed to play but it would be nice if clubs made a stand
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Post by Бенне on Oct 20, 2014 17:40:10 GMT
Made a stand against what exactly? Where do you want to draw the line?
I don't get this viewpoint at all...
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Post by Stu on Oct 20, 2014 17:42:23 GMT
made a stand lol, behave
he served his punishment. he was every right continue working now that hes out.
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Post by sween on Oct 20, 2014 17:45:09 GMT
paul's that guy you really don't want on your side in an argument
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Post by #FreeBTS on Oct 20, 2014 17:50:09 GMT
i don't think the intention behind people not wanting him to play again is to do with punishing evans twice and more to do with not setting a precedent wherein a person can be convicted for a crime such as rape and return to the field in a few years. rape victims have to deal with the fallout constantly, and are subjected to abuse and accusations (not just in this case, i'm using this as an emblematic thing), which is why the number of recorded rapes is so low compared to what is happening. to allow him to continue in such a privileged (both financially & socially) field would seem to value the prospects of the rapist over respect of the victim i don't have any problem with evans having a life after this, he's twenty-five, within reason he should be able to do what he wants, it's not like his choices are football or nothing. if on appeal he's found innocent then there's nothing that should stop him from returning to sheffield united or anywhere else. but he should not play again You're using this one case as an emblematic thing as if it can just speak for all rape cases everywhere, which just isn't logical. There are specific reasons why the victim in this case has been abused, don't act as if it's indiciative of a wider problem that all rape victims will endure. The number of recorded rapes and subsequent convictions is low for a multitude of reasons that people far more intelligent than you or I can't agree on so we'll leave that one. but it is indicative of a wider problem in rape victims, that's massively clear in this case i think. i don't see how you could disagree with what sos has said about rape convictions either, plenty don't come forward because they're afraid of the abuse they'll get and how they're made to feel about what happened, that's a fact? i can't agree with sos but it doesn't leave the greatest taste in my mouth that he will come back into football. idk, maybe there are some positions in society that should be off limits after a thing like this. but then again, if you don't give people the chance to reform it is more likely to lead to someone reoffending. just a bit shit all round really
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Post by #FreeBTS on Oct 20, 2014 17:52:24 GMT
Made a stand against what exactly? Where do you want to draw the line? I don't get this viewpoint at all... just refuse to employ him. he raped someone, therefore i would have thought people would have a problem cheering on a convicted rapist, and clubs might possibly respect that. i didn't think it was that difficult to be honest. of course there's no reason why they should, but it would be a pleasant surprise obviously i'm not saying it's against the law or anything, just from a moral standpoint
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Post by Kesh on Oct 20, 2014 17:56:06 GMT
I've just come out of lecture talking about this exact case so if anyone else says anything else stupid, after dinner I'm going to shoot you down
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Post by you give me rrrroad rrrrage on Oct 20, 2014 18:07:15 GMT
The number of recorded rapes and subsequent convictions is low for a multitude of reasons that people far more intelligent than you or I can't agree on so we'll leave that one. This times like a million.
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Post by Бенне on Oct 20, 2014 18:08:58 GMT
Made a stand against what exactly? Where do you want to draw the line? I don't get this viewpoint at all... just refuse to employ him. he raped someone, therefore i would have thought people would have a problem cheering on a convicted rapist, and clubs might possibly respect that. i didn't think it was that difficult to be honest. of course there's no reason why they should, but it would be a pleasant surprise obviously i'm not saying it's against the law or anything, just from a moral standpoint And he's served his debt to society as dictated by the laws that rule our society. Why should he be denied his best source of employment when he's paid for his crimes?
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Post by #FreeBTS on Oct 20, 2014 18:11:50 GMT
because i don't think football clubs should want to employ convicted rapists. we can talk about how technically they're no different to any other business etc, but we all know that's not really true, being a footballer is different to a bus driver or shop assistant or whatever
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Post by The Quito Diet on Oct 20, 2014 18:13:08 GMT
but it is indicative of a wider problem in rape victims, that's massively clear in this case i think. i don't see how you could disagree with what sos has said about rape convictions either, plenty don't come forward because they're afraid of the abuse they'll get and how they're made to feel about what happened, that's a fact? Of course it's a fact that many don't come forward through fear of not being believed, I just think it's grossly unfair to use this case as an example to hold up and say it speaks for that as a wider issue when it's very much a unique case; she wasn't abused for being raped, she wasn't even abused for being drunk and not remembering it, she was abused for bragging about it afterwards on Twitter. And in doing so she's done just as much to prevent people wanting to come forward and report rapes as those who've abused her.
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Post by Бенне on Oct 20, 2014 18:13:38 GMT
because i don't think football clubs should want to employ convicted rapists. we can talk about how technically they're no different to any other business etc, but we all know that's not really true, being a footballer is different to a bus driver or shop assistant or whatever 90% of Sheff Utd fans want him back, not just because he's a good player but because the general feeling is that it was a harsh decision as has been discussed in the thread already. So why should he not return?
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