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Post by Heung-Min Pleat on May 9, 2014 11:47:27 GMT
Also can I say when you're talking about a genuine diamond among the English youth say Wilshere or Ross Barkley, these are players who have clear ability who for me its a no brainer whether they come from the Arsenal youth system or Morecambes they are going to be a star
I can't quite put into words what I mean but lets take say Southampton for example - Shaw, Lallana and these players they've produced through their academy could and would've all come through East Fives system, it isn't necessarily the brilliance of Southamptons personnel, facilities or philosophy so much as its the coincidential cachment area
That still probably sounds like a pile of shit but hopefully someone gets what I mean
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 12:50:46 GMT
I thought that too but I think Sweeney said it's only English players in the B team? 20/25 have to be homegrown but homegrown can mean a foreign player brought over at the age of 15, doesn't mean they're English.
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Post by Childish on May 9, 2014 13:23:15 GMT
I support one of the worst clubs for buying players and im still very against this. Not only me too, lots of City fans who sat near me when I lived there were all disappointed at what we did with Rodwell for example. He gets joked at a lot but the guy would be v good for someone like Villa, Stoke, Palace etc with the potential to evolve in to a v good player but he's played 15 PL games in 2 years aged 21 - 23. He played 80 something before that. Its dreadful. Scott sinclair was a major part of Swansea's success under Rodgers. Christ knows how many games he has played since.
This would seperate the gap because now we (City and Chelsea, Utd too, even though they're good with youth no doubt Arsenal and L'pool would do it too) would pinch any and every 15/16 year old off lower teams because we can stick them in a B team. They either become good and get promoted to first team, flogged off, or we don't give a fuck and keep them there anyway. Who really cares if your B team is good? Then because we steal Villa's youth, Villa go steal Middlesboroughs. Middlesborough go steal Lutons. Its vicious. Everyone gets shitter. Except the top teams. Then now Boro have no good youth, cant promote with within etc. So now they have to try to constantly buy players if they want to be good. But they cant afford that. So they either go in debt or be shite.
Honestly ive said before there are 3 pros you can think of from this system but for every pro they claim there are about 5 bigger cons.
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Post by Childish on May 9, 2014 13:30:37 GMT
Also I went and coached more kids today and it depresses me. Its a case of let the best kid run around getting the ball running the length of the pitch and scoring and the other kids just be roadblocks or else defend for this good kid to do all the attacking.
You end up with superstars - Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Scholes etc. But then everyone else is meh. Whereas Germany, Spain etc have an abundance of quality players throughout the leagues. England has Nathan Baker.
Also it is absolutely no coincidence England has very good defenders (Campbell, Terry, Ferdinand, Carragher, King, Adams, Keown). And pacey wingers who ran the pitch at youth level (Walcott, Chamberlain Sterling, Lennon, Townsend, SWP). But very few world class dynamic attackers, midfielders who dictate tempo (Scholes, Gerrard?)
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Post by AlexC on May 9, 2014 15:12:01 GMT
Can we all lay off Mike and aim our anger at that colossus thundercunt Greg Dyke.
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Post by danielbuggery on May 9, 2014 15:25:11 GMT
Why don't they do something about the shite British coaching instead? Apart from Fergie and possibly Bobby Robson name one good British manager in the last 20 years.
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Post by Gianni Infantino on May 9, 2014 15:27:12 GMT
Brendan.
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Post by danielbuggery on May 9, 2014 15:28:48 GMT
That remains to be seen. Don't forget David O'Leary was once a cert to replace Fergie one time.
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Post by Childish on May 9, 2014 15:29:04 GMT
Northern Ireland isn't part of Britain but that's not really here nor there.
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Post by cl7 on May 9, 2014 15:29:16 GMT
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Post by Gianni Infantino on May 9, 2014 15:46:03 GMT
Northern Ireland isn't part of Britain but that's not really here nor there. Meh, GB, UK. Whatever, he's got a British passport.
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Post by Childish on May 9, 2014 16:03:50 GMT
Is that confirmed because people in Northern Ireland can get British or Irish passports
again that's not really relevant
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2014 16:53:30 GMT
How will having a B teams full of 18/19 year olds playing at league two level make the gap between the top six clubs and the other fourteen any bigger? Please explain. It doesn't take a genius to work it out. Teams in the Premiership buy all the best youngster through the bollocks that is EPPP. League Clubs screwed over MKI. Then the teams at the top get the very best because they have the most money, so you're looking at Man City, Man United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham and Liverpool. This means the rest go to the other clubs in the Premiership and they'll likely be a lot less likely to succeed. Then the big teams send the players to their B teams which take places from the League and Conference teams. League Clubs screwed over MKII. If some of them don't make it then they're thrown on the scrap heap meaning the league clubs get the shit that they don't want. League Clubs screwed over MKIII. Finally, if they're good enough then the best players go straight to the best clubs and the others are left to struggle. It'll make the Top 6 gap bigger and also the gap between the Premiership and Championship and the life of League clubs lower down incredibly hard. I wouldn't be surprised to see 4/5 clubs go out of business from League Two/Conference within the first 2/3 years if this went ahead. Hereford, Macclesfield, Torquay, Accrington and Aldershot would be likely.
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Post by U R GAY on May 9, 2014 19:37:46 GMT
There is only one pro to this idea, and it's moot in England because for it to work the entire mindset of English football would have to change from everything it's known for the last 25 years from owners to managers to fellow players to fans and it's simply too big of a leap - it would also be to the detriment of the quality of the Premier League.
That one positive is that it would allow players to become familiar with each other in competitive games, familiar with a manager's ideas, familiar at playing on TV or at a big ground etc. etc.
I watched Barca B play us off the park at the Reebok and they play like a young version of their first team. The mindset goes right through so that when they step into the first team, they can come into that sort of style. Fair to say that Tottenham first team is a hell of a lot different than Swindon or Leyton Orient, so if you have a dedicated competitive B team playing, you could in theory create a system and environment to get players more ready for the first team...
...HOWEVER, in this country, the mindset is winning games, not bringing 2 or 3 untested youngsters up into a first team regularly to bed them in unless they are world class talents. In 25 years, there's the Class of 92 and aside from that, small examples here and there, like at Southampton, they manage to sprinkle in youth team players regularly.
All that will happen with this idea in its current inception is that it will put a fair number of smaller clubs out of business, fuck a load of middle-ish clubs with good academies over and leave big clubs with bloated squads of potentially decent players (who'll probably end up playing a level or two lower than they could have been if they'd just been sent out on loan)
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Post by ChappyHova on May 9, 2014 21:19:08 GMT
"Danny Mills, the opinionated former England defender who sat on the England Commission, blithely insisted that fans of Hartlepool would far rather see their club play Manchester United B than Torquay United."
Only just read this, fucking lol.
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